Tagrineth said:
Well, yeah, but isn't there a better way to support the war at this point than gambling your LIFE?
The ideology Tag, is that just as you're entitled to this countries freedoms and liberties guaranteed under the Constitution - your role as a citizen is to protect the Constitution should you're elected leader deem the draft necessary.
Of course, especially in todays contemporary battlefield, there isn't a significant need for the so-called "grunts" to go slug it out - and of course there are "other" ways of advancing the cause (eg. Education), but the point I'm trying to make is that conscription in itself is a legitimate and necessary part of this Republic, since it's humble creation.
Saem said:
But to come to the realisation that your country is in danger and you as a citizen need to defend it is a personel decision
Bold are mine as they illuminate a specific word:
Citizen.
cit·i·zen (st-zn)
n.
A person owing loyalty to and entitled by birth or naturalization to the protection of a state or nation
Personal decision? Where did you learn this? I suggest you go read up on citizenship, just a hint. This isn't a
"I was born here, I'm entitled" type of proposition. It's very Black & White, either your a citizen and do you're duty or revoke your citizenship and move the hell out.
Because, It's unfair for people like my buddy Joel to be out in the Gulf on an Amphibious Ready ship or wherever he is now, ready to die protecting your ass and your family while you cower in the corner mumbling about "not agreeing personally." Thats bullshit, utter bullshit. If you can enjoy the freedoms, you can die protecting them if the time comes.
Vince, it's nice to see you are willing to die for your country, but would your politicians do the same? If you know your history then this debate is over, or atleast your anger is misplaced.
This Republic has survived almost 230 years. Under a policy of conscription we have given birth to the greatest democratic entity the world has seen. We've ended slavery, preserved the democratic principles we hold dear against the agressive foes of Fascism, Despotism, Communism and Tyranny. Twice have we liberated Europe from the dominion of evil under this policy in the past century.
I think you're looking for an excuse; quite frankly I don't give a f* what anyone else does or doesn't do. The question in the event of a draft would be, "Whats's your excuse?"
The point is, as a citizen I'm willing to defend my country, but if I feel that my country doesn't need defending (ie. I disagree with the government) I shouldn't have to do what they say
The point is, you don't know what the hell it is to be a citizen. I'm ashamed at this rebellous, leftist, segment of the contemporary generation in the United States (Europe is so lost it isn't even worth mention) and their outlook on topics such as this.
It's like, you want the Protection, Oppertunity, Freedoms, Liberties, and Happiness afforded under our Constitution. You will use and abuse the Constitution's privalleges to the fullest. Yet, you will only defend it if you agree with it. What bullshit.