PS Business Briefing 2006 March official info
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mckmas8808
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one said:
Now what does presupposition mean? :/
Ok, sorry.
But
Topic: PS Business Briefing 2006 March official info
I thought it includes PSP, and that this thread was to discuss the whole briefing and info given.
Edit: To "cover my tracks" I have a new premonition.
What if the PSP "EyeToy" is at the same time the PS3 wireless HD IP camera?
That there would not be a separate "Eye Toy" camera for PS3, but the PSP + camera would be it?
Makes some sense, does it?
But
Topic: PS Business Briefing 2006 March official info
I thought it includes PSP, and that this thread was to discuss the whole briefing and info given.
Edit: To "cover my tracks" I have a new premonition.
What if the PSP "EyeToy" is at the same time the PS3 wireless HD IP camera?
That there would not be a separate "Eye Toy" camera for PS3, but the PSP + camera would be it?
Makes some sense, does it?
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mckmas8808 said:
Main Entry: pre·sup·pose
Pronunciation: "prE-s&-'pOz
Function: transitive verb
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French presupposer, from Medieval Latin praesupponere (perfect indicative praesupposui), from Latin prae- + Medieval Latin supponere to suppose -- more at SUPPOSE
1 : to suppose beforehand
2 : to require as an antecedent in logic or fact
Basically, developers should require their games to install on the hdd.
Anyway, Sony adressed some problems of the past:
1) worldwide launch
Finally, Europe isn'T getting the shaft. However, the simultaneous launch could cause massive supply problems.
2) hdd comes with the box
3) load times reduced due to HD installation
I was already getting worried that the PS3 load times would be attrocious, but now it seems they might actually be acceptable.
hupfinsgack said:
That's a bit of a stretch..if games can assume the presence of a HDD they might well use it for caching/streaming etc. but not require that they be installed!
I'm still not buying the HDD-in-the-box story though. Inane is correct about pickiness post-360, and I've yet to see an absolutely clear direct quote from anyone at SCE saying "The HDD will ship with every PS3, no split market".
On a different note, Phil Harrison's GDC keynote should actually be interesting now
mckmas8808
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hupfinsgack said:
Thanks much I am.
Okay, a worldwide launch can fit in with the Spring launch I argue. For all those saying 'they already said Spring and missed it, I won't beleive a word they say', all plans are subject to change. The best laid plans o' mice and men gang aft aglay.
Before you can say 'they missed Spring so we won't Novemeber' you need to know why they missed Spring. If it's a BRD thing, they've been ale to make everything they need except that part. That means between now and launch they can stockpile huge numbers of PS3 as they wait for whatever they are waiting for. Also the Spring launch could have been Japan only, as we all assumed, with US getting later this year, so the shift to a worldwide launch is more a postponement of Japan. Worldwide becomes a new strategy to strengthen the launch folowing an unexpected delay.
The concern with the worldwide launch is that it sounds like 1 million consoles per month after launch, with 1 million at launch. That's spreading things even more thinly than XB360 . And also makes you wonder what the factories are doing at the moment. Twiddling their thumbs?
Sony have managed to save face somewhat by turning the unwanted delayed launch into a big launch to compensate. Good marketting and business sense. They haven't yet shown the games or examples of the interfaces or Linux etc., but these things wouldn't be expected at a dull old business meeting. The suits get their kicks from Powerpoint presentations, not awesomely rendered FPSes!
In summary, heady goals. Things could go wrong, might well do, but the plans announced are at least what is being aimed at. Some people need to be able to make the distinction between a lie and an unexpected set of circumstances that require a change of plan.
Before you can say 'they missed Spring so we won't Novemeber' you need to know why they missed Spring. If it's a BRD thing, they've been ale to make everything they need except that part. That means between now and launch they can stockpile huge numbers of PS3 as they wait for whatever they are waiting for. Also the Spring launch could have been Japan only, as we all assumed, with US getting later this year, so the shift to a worldwide launch is more a postponement of Japan. Worldwide becomes a new strategy to strengthen the launch folowing an unexpected delay.
The concern with the worldwide launch is that it sounds like 1 million consoles per month after launch, with 1 million at launch. That's spreading things even more thinly than XB360
. And also makes you wonder what the factories are doing at the moment. Twiddling their thumbs?Sony have managed to save face somewhat by turning the unwanted delayed launch into a big launch to compensate. Good marketting and business sense. They haven't yet shown the games or examples of the interfaces or Linux etc., but these things wouldn't be expected at a dull old business meeting. The suits get their kicks from Powerpoint presentations, not awesomely rendered FPSes!
In summary, heady goals. Things could go wrong, might well do, but the plans announced are at least what is being aimed at. Some people need to be able to make the distinction between a lie and an unexpected set of circumstances that require a change of plan.
mckmas8808 said:
You should get one of those Firefox extensions to look up words in an online dictionary. Very handy.
Firstly, a big thanks to everyone that contributed to the updates, especially One! *thumbs up*
I'm quite convinced a $499 price would be with the HD, not without - at least taking the timeframe into concideration (late this year), that the unit will be able to move quicker to a more profitable/cheaper 60nm process (because it's launching later than planned) and in reference to what Microsoft is selling their Xbox360 at, or will be. Selling your 'package' at over $150 of your closest competitor is one thing, but launching it at that higher price without the HD your competitor is, is definately an even more unlikely IMO.
Given that they seem to be wanting to stick with one unit and that that unit will be with a HD included, I'm going to predict no more than $449 in America - although in my humble opinion/speculation, it will be sold at $399 in America. Note that I expect Japan to have the slightly higher price, as will Europe. In America though, I believe it's going to be somewhere between $399 and $449. Why? For the factors I named above, that 60nm could be a viable process not that far off after the launch and that I'd expect Microsoft to be ready to drop the price by $50 for the christmas/holiday timeframe when everyone expects PS3 to be supply limited. Then we'd ultimately have a Xbox360 at $349 (premium) or a $249 (core) competing with PS3 at $399-$449 with the most notable advantage that it will have Blu-Ray over its competitor.
I think when looking at the price - we must not forget to factor in that the costs of your product is one thing - but ultimately, your product has be able to generate demand. Market perception is important and as such, so is its selling price. I think not selling the PS3 for too much is a crucial factor.
Titanio said:I think they could sell it for 499 without the HDD, but just my humble opinion. Not indefinitely, but they'd get those 6m out anyway
I'm quite convinced a $499 price would be with the HD, not without - at least taking the timeframe into concideration (late this year), that the unit will be able to move quicker to a more profitable/cheaper 60nm process (because it's launching later than planned) and in reference to what Microsoft is selling their Xbox360 at, or will be. Selling your 'package' at over $150 of your closest competitor is one thing, but launching it at that higher price without the HD your competitor is, is definately an even more unlikely IMO.
Given that they seem to be wanting to stick with one unit and that that unit will be with a HD included, I'm going to predict no more than $449 in America - although in my humble opinion/speculation, it will be sold at $399 in America. Note that I expect Japan to have the slightly higher price, as will Europe. In America though, I believe it's going to be somewhere between $399 and $449. Why? For the factors I named above, that 60nm could be a viable process not that far off after the launch and that I'd expect Microsoft to be ready to drop the price by $50 for the christmas/holiday timeframe when everyone expects PS3 to be supply limited. Then we'd ultimately have a Xbox360 at $349 (premium) or a $249 (core) competing with PS3 at $399-$449 with the most notable advantage that it will have Blu-Ray over its competitor.
I think when looking at the price - we must not forget to factor in that the costs of your product is one thing - but ultimately, your product has be able to generate demand. Market perception is important and as such, so is its selling price. I think not selling the PS3 for too much is a crucial factor.
Regarding if the HDD is standard or not, could it be possible that the PS3 will require one to operate but it will be sold separately? Resons for this could be that you will be able to choose size and preloaded content (such as Linux pre-installed) but Sony is not ready to announce it just yet and that's why info at present time is vague (other than it's required)?
Xbot360 said:
[sarcasm]Tell us oh mighty Xbot360 the secrets of gaming we dont know.
Help us open our eyes and free us from the Evil Sony the Anti-Christ of console gaming.
The demon of lying[/sarcasm]
You know I ve read all your posts in this thread and you dont sound any different from the Sony ******s.
It seems that all these nice sounding announcements (true or not) are bothering you, probably even make you foam??
You should relax tooAlpha_Spartan said:
We may be extremely excited with the news but it doesnt necessarilly mean that we expect all these to happen at the end
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Titanio said:That's a bit of a stretch..if games can assume the presence of a HDD they might well use it for caching/streaming etc. but not require that they be installed!
I'm still not buying the HDD-in-the-box story though. Inane is correct about pickiness post-360, and I've yet to see an absolutely clear direct quote from anyone at SCE saying "The HDD will ship with every PS3, no split market".
On a different note, Phil Harrison's GDC keynote should actually be interesting now
OK, here's the translation of the original Ken Kutaragi quote from One's link:
KEN Kutaragi said:
So they're at least encouraging HDD installation, maybe because of the load times?
EDIT: Disclaimer: My Japanese is not that good, so sorry for the somewhat strange translation. But I hope everyone gets the idea.
EDIT2: typos
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gokickrocks
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dont think this has been asked or mentioned, but were there any details on the controller? last i heard, sony lost their suit for the dual shock technology
