[The picture at top shows E3 picture (on top) vs video picture (on bottom)]
Was the video shown at E3 on GR3 a render target?
After looking at that picture comparison of the GR3 video (found here) vs the E3 picture. It looks like it.
lots more differences than that.... wall textures are not there, trees do not let the sun light pass into the ground.jvd said:First image has hdr , second image does not .
Could be turned off because of diffrent implementation . I.e the e3 demo used the sm2.0 shader version and they haven't finished coding the fp 10 or fp16 version .
Other than that everything looks the same except the main character who seems to be a diffrent model
Downloading 'Name trailer' (13.15 MB)
This is from the end of june. They were still using alpha kits .Name trailer 2005-06-27 22:38:0113.15
As a way to celebrate the announcement of the final name of the next Ghost Recon Game (now named Ghost Recon 3: Advance Warfighter), Ubisoft just released this new trailer presenting (I think) a few new sequences of gameplay.
You do know that the first image is the E3 trailer, while the second picture is a screen grab from a post E3 trailer?jvd said:First image has hdr , second image does not .
Could be turned off because of diffrent implementation . I.e the e3 demo used the sm2.0 shader version and they haven't finished coding the fp 10 or fp16 version .
Other than that everything looks the same except the main character who seems to be a diffrent model
jvd said:His link leads to the name trailer
If you go to the ghost recon page it says
http://www.xboxyde.com/game_746.html
This is from the end of june. They were still using alpha kits .
We really don't know what system this second pic he used for comparisons were from .
It could for all we know be on alpha kits which have no hdr . It could be from all we know the pc version .
You don't seem to understand. They are passing this off as a Xbox360 game, like how Sony were passing off their E3 trailers as what PS3 games would look like.jvd said:You don't seem to understand . If the e3 trailer came from a pc . I.e 6800s like gears of war it would have hdr . While the video you linked too could have been from a dev kit with x800s in them. They do not have hdr .
BTOA said:You don't seem to understand. They are passing this off as a Xbox360 game, like how Sony were passing off their E3 trailers as what PS3 games would look like.
If the developers were show casing this on a different setup, wouldn't they said so like Epic?
It doesn't matter if the cards had HDR capability or not, what MS was showing was not possible at the time on the current state of the Xbox360 SDK. You and other people blaming Sony for showing render stuff should be pointing at MS for doing the same tactics again (Xbox Raven demo).
A screenshot which was not possible on the current state of the SDK at the time of E3, but yet was passed off as what the system was producing at that time. People believed they would be getting those visual look, but it was in fact a target render Ubisoft is aiming for.SanGreal said:That first shot does not come from the E3 trailer. The second shot is from the E3 trailer.
The first shot is just a screenshot ubisoft released.
I should say, MS and Ubisoft. And look again at the two newest shots of what we have of GR3. They look different then what the E3 pics are showing. Again, E3 pics from Ubisoft were target renderings.SanGreal said:Again, the only footage shown at E3 of GR3 is what is in that second shot. I'm not even sure what Microsoft has to do with this. The first shot that you are comparing it to is just a screenshot ubisoft released. It could be from a later build, who knows. Time will tell.
BTOA said:A screenshot which was not possible on the current state of the SDK at the time of E3, but yet was passed off as what the system was producing at that time. People believed they would be getting those visual look, but it was in fact a target render Ubisoft is aiming for.
Since it explains why these two picture look different then what was shown at E3.
I should say, MS and Ubisoft. And look again at the two newest shots of what we have of GR3. They look different then what the E3 pics are showing. Again, E3 pics from Ubisoft were target renderings.
SanGreal said:It wasn't passed off as anything. Its a screenshot released with no comment. It could be fricken hand-drawn for all we know. It is probably a shot from the build they had running internally at the time. That isn't a target render anymore than any screenshot released during a games development.
I think you have a bad recollection of what was shown at E3.
Here are some shots from E3.
Lets start with the original scene in question:
I don't see how these look any better than the two screenshots you linked.
Go here: http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/736/736206/imgs_1.htmlSanGreal said:Again, that screenshot was not shown at e3. Its just a screenshot ubisoft released as part of their press kit. You can download that shot, and the rest of them from ftp://ftp.ubi.com/us/games/gr3/media/360gr3may12.zip
The screenshots I posted are straight out of the E3 video (which was probably completed long before that screenshot was released).
BTOA said:You don't seem to understand. They are passing this off as a Xbox360 game, like how Sony were passing off their E3 trailers as what PS3 games would look like.
If the developers were show casing this on a different setup, wouldn't they said so like Epic?
It doesn't matter if the cards had HDR capability or not, what MS was showing was not possible at the time on the current state of the Xbox360 SDK. You and other people blaming Sony for showing render stuff should be pointing at MS for doing the same tactics again (Xbox Raven demo).
BTOA said:Go here: http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/736/736206/imgs_1.html
Ubisoft wasn't the only site to be passing these pictures off as what they were showing at E3. When people look at those pictures, they are expecting those type of graphics. Like how Sony were passing off their render games as to be expected in their games.
The point of the thread is to bash the people who bashed Sony for showing renders when MS and Ubisoft has done so too.pso said:So is the point of your thread, to bash MS? .
pso said:So is the point of your thread, to bash MS? .