SCE presentation from PlayStation Meeting 2005

[one]

IGN has a nice roundup for all SCEI presentation slides, from the best angle!
As you see, this event is addressed to developers and the industry, so the emphasis is not on promotion for individual game contents that users are most interested in (naturally we'll see the opposite in Xbox Japan Summit due tomorrow...).

Sony's PS3 delivery schedule, including devkits and libraries
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/635/635630p1.html
Technological advances in PS3 and the tool chain over previous generations
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/636/636028p1.html
About the PS2 business
http://ps2.ign.com/articles/635/635678p1.html
About the PSP business
http://psp.ign.com/articles/635/635788p1.html
Videos for slightly updated tech demos, Kutaragi explaining
http://media.ps3.ign.com/articles/635/635625/vids_1.html

One interesting thing is SCE themselves teasingly play with the idea whether those movies showcased at E3 were prerendered or rendered...

and the updated duck demo with green ducks and a big duck is to be an actual sample code.

 

[MechanizedDeath]

I personally think it's hilarious how SCE absolutely abuses Powerpoint for their presentations. I mean, considering it's made by their competitor in the gaming market, a main staple of every Sony presser is the Powerpoint slideshow. PEACE.

 

[PeterT]

It's not necessarily powerpoint... I create all my presentation slides in either LaTeX or Org presenter, and some people ask me "How did you do xxx in PP?" afterwards.

Back on topic: I think it's great that they release the ducky demo as sample code, it was one of the most interesting aspects of the E3 presentation IMHO.
After reading all the slides I have to add that "Ballistic Trajectory Simulation" is really pushing the presentation-bullet-point thing a bit -- once you have a general rigid body physics engine running your "ballistic trajectories" should work automagically.

 

[seismologist]

Was GT5 demo running on CELL? Seems like the SPE would be good at running all of these phsyics simulations in parallel.

 

[one]

After reading all the slides I have to add that "Ballistic Trajectory Simulation" is really pushing the presentation-bullet-point thing a bit -- once you have a general rigid body physics engine running your "ballistic trajectories" should work automagically.

Maybe more precise air friction, wind drag and so on? Though I don't know how accurate such simulation is in current games and how this newly gained precision actually translates into in-game reality in next-gen games... (well golf can be an example I guess)

 

[Powderkeg]

Maybe more precise air friction, wind drag and so on? Though I don't know how accurate such simulation is in current games and how this newly gained precision actually translates into in-game reality in next-gen games... (well golf can be an example I guess)

That's been my biggest question in the latest Physics hype. How much more does it really need to progress in most games? Are arcade racers really lacking phyics because of the hardware? Would platformers really improve with physics more advanced than Havok? Would DOA with ragdoll actually make it a fun game?

With the exception of sim-based games, I'm not convinced that major advances in physics would translate into better games.

 

[PC-Engine]

What I see there is simply a slide with a bunch of bulletpoint features to make some people go oooohhhh aaaaahhh.

 

[Farid]

What I see there is simply a slide with a bunch of bulletpoint features to make some people go oooohhhh aaaaahhh.

That's uncalled for, PC-Engine. Please...

 

[Farid]

Is Dylan Cuthbert involved in the creation of the rubber duck demo, this time again?

 

[one]

Is Dylan Cuthbert involved in the creation of the rubber duck demo, this time again?

No, he's like he could do better or something like that 8)

 

[seismologist]

Maybe more precise air friction, wind drag and so on? Though I don't know how accurate such simulation is in current games and how this newly gained precision actually translates into in-game reality in next-gen games... (well golf can be an example I guess)

That's been my biggest question in the latest Physics hype. How much more does it really need to progress in most games? Are arcade racers really lacking phyics because of the hardware? Would platformers really improve with physics more advanced than Havok? Would DOA with ragdoll actually make it a fun game?

With the exception of sim-based games, I'm not convinced that major advances in physics would translate into better games.

It's like graphics. Doesn't necessarily make the game better. Just adds realism. DOA with destructable environments might be pretty cool.

 

[PC-Engine]

DOA with destructable environments might be pretty cool.

DOA already has destructable environments since the DC days.

 

[seismologist]

yeah but hopefully next gen you'll realize how cheap and unrealistic it is.

I think graphics are at a point where the games are looking "good enough".

I'm still hoping that next gen will be the physics revolution like last gen was for 3D graphics.

 

[PC-Engine]

yeah but hopefully next gen you'll realize how cheap and unrealistic it is.

I think graphics are at a point where the games are looking "good enough".

I'm still hoping that next gen will be the physics revolution like last gen was for 3D graphics.

For fighting games, it would be trivial to add physics based destructable environments.

 

[seismologist]

yeah but hopefully next gen you'll realize how cheap and unrealistic it is.

I think graphics are at a point where the games are looking "good enough".

I'm still hoping that next gen will be the physics revolution like last gen was for 3D graphics.

For fighting games, it would be trivial to add physics based destructable environments.

Then why are they currently doing it the cheap way like in DOA.
If you dont see any benefit to having real world physics in games then your just not thinking hard enough.

 

[PC-Engine]

Then why are they currently doing it the cheap way like in DOA.

Because it would just be a gimmick.

 

[loekf2]

About the PSP business
http://psp.ign.com/articles/635/635788p1.html

IGN is telling nonsense here. Seems like with the 2.0 firmware for the PSP, Sony will add support for playing H.264 (MPEG4 Part 10, ACV etc) encoded video files from Memorystick. So far they only allowed MPEG4 SP.

Nice touch ;-)

 

[Titanio]

For fighting games, it would be trivial to add physics based destructable environments.

Depends what level of detail you go for. I guess you could occupy the fastest CPUs with a simulation for destroying just a brick piece by piece if you wanted

 

[seismologist]

Then why are they currently doing it the cheap way like in DOA.

Because it would just be a gimmick.

So your point is that the presentation is worthless because having real world physics would be a gimmick?

In that case you probably shouldn't even be here because just about every reason for the next gen consoles existing is to offer more realism in games.

 

[PC-Engine]

Then why are they currently doing it the cheap way like in DOA.

Because it would just be a gimmick.

So your point is that the presentation is worthless because having real world physics would be a gimmick?

In that case you probably shouldn't even be here because just about every reason for the next gen consoles existing is to offer more realism in games.

There are many ways to apply physics other than just destructable environments...