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[Cryect]

You've not a remote idea of the advances that are taking place right now... the simplest of stuff that's in the labs, could very well result in things like commercial regrowth of teeth, cure for the crippled, in about a decade. That's just the tip of the iceberg. The combined advances in computing, in genetic engineering and screening tools, in nano-tech, in functional genomics, etc, etc... Make for an exciting time.

Hmmm I think you are a little too optimistic. If everyone is willing to chip in to total a trillion dollars or so yeah prolly could have that in a decade. I would say more like 3 to 5 decades depending on how various politics on forcing max cost of treatments in such occur or not (if they do expect a fairly big stagnant in the rate of cures and devices to heal, they will likely still occur but just at a much slower rate(well unless the governments suddenly decides they plan to give out lots more money)). Also, costs are going to stay high as it gets harder to be able to reverse engineer and produce items (example antibody drugs happen to be the best drugs to treat rheumatoid arthritis, unfortunately its a $20,000 a year treatment and its not what you would call reverse engineerable per say and happens to be pretty expensive to make (due to its made with live rabbits and such)).

(I will say the Japanese government though is one of the most serious governments at science research though they do have a little varied interests from the US (exampled giving out equilvalent of $1 Billion out for research in rice (preventing dieseases in them, better growing, improvements in cooking, etc) and they love researching robots))

Hehe, plus disregarding the costs then comes up the issues with the ethics of being able to literally being able to cure everything almost. In the short term I don't think humanity is prepared to deal with the issues that will arise in the long term I do though.

Automation allows for a job-less society, things would be virtually free. We'd just have to hope people choose an acceptable solution to this dilemma... worst case most could end up in slums separated from the lucky few by automated killing machines.... hopefully that wont happen

Read some Asimov or some other various authors on their opinions on a society where robots replace those in jobs (if you think unions bitch already enough about jobs going elsewhere or automated, what do you think the populace will say when you tell them there is no need for them and robots can do it all).

The major issue, has to do with people aren't going to be happy doing nothing except twiddling their thumbs and living in a hedonistic world (unfortuantely the way the brain is those things will get dull real fast, happens to be rarity has a lot to do with how much we value particular activties which isn't too surprising).

 

[zidane1strife]

happens to be pretty expensive to make (due to its made with live rabbits and such)).

IT will be mass produced with genetically engineered bacteria. There are many trying to get'em to produce more complex things like glyco-prots(not sure if that's the correct name). It'll become cheap.

Hehe, plus disregarding the costs then comes up the issues with the ethics of being able to literally being able to cure everything almost. In the short term I don't think humanity is prepared to deal with the issues that will arise in the long term I do though.

Regeneration of teeth has been achieved succesfully in animals. A commercial venture comp( ODONTIS ), has already set out to begin human trials in two years, and has received funding for such. Shall they succeed, it'll be available in about a decade I'd say. Of course if you've the cash, and you see adequate success in the clinical trials, you can get it earlier by you know...

Regeneration of the spinal cord has been achieved in animals to various degrees of success, using solutions as simple as combining a few FDA approved drugs with growth factors right after injury, to stem cell therapies and the like.

Regenerative medicine is advancing at a ridiculous pace, and tissue engineering is getting ever better. From proto-kidneys to heart-valves done with scaffolds coated with growth factors and the like, advances in medicine are on the horizon.

An example of what's to comevery optimistic, don't take this too literally!!!)
http://www.emortalists.com/assets/html/fosselartic1.html

Drugs can presently prolong the lives of Aids patients for decades. Some cheap indian drugs, have been found to be as effective as our most expensive ones. Some humans show immunity to the virus and are under study. The reasons some species of monkeys are immune have been found out, it's a protein from a class of proteins that inhibits the virus from opening and releasing it's code into the cell. Some more aids stuff....

An artificial intelligence based on a neural network has proven so effective at prescribing drug treatment for HIV patients that it could soon be reversing treatment failure....

The nonprofit London-based HIV Resistance Database Initiative is interested in using artificial intelligence to enhance already available predictive tests that read these genetic changes....

Presenting at the 12th International Workshop on HIV Drug Resistance in Los Cabos, Mexico on June 12 (read abstract), researchers reported that the network was able to identify with 79% accuracy alternative drug combinations that were predicted to reduce the amount of virus in a patient's bloodstream by over 99%.

If the system had actually been used in real cases, the selected drug combinations might have helped 110 patients out of 139.

"Today's results hold out the possibility of being able to reverse the process of treatment failure for such patients, using artificial intelligence to help identify the best possible drug combination for the individual," says Montaner.

Bacteria naturally present in the human vagina have been engineered to protect against HIV, offering the potential for inexpensive female-controlled AIDS prevention that could be suitable for both developed and developing nations....
In a novel approach, researchers from Stanford University in California, Rockefeller University in New York and the University of Pittsburgh in Pennsylvania have engineered the bacterium Lactobacillus jensenii to secrete proteins called two-domain CD4 that significantly decrease HIV virus infectivity.

A new gene therapy treatment that can inhibit the replication of the AIDS virus will soon undergo clinical development in China.

Japanese Biotechnology company Takara, a subsidiary of major shochu maker Takara Holdings, has announced plans to begin clinical development of the AIDS treatment...

One of the genes retards the synthesis of proteins that the virus must have to replicate and the other impedes the development of the virus's shell.

The retrovirus delivery system that will be used to deliver the genes to target cells, called RetroNectin, has already been developed by scientists from Takara and Indiana University in the US .

The identification of a protein that blocks HIV infection in monkeys could lead to improved AIDS research and new medicines, possibly based on a similar molecule in humans...
The protein, found by researchers from the Dana-Farber Cancer Institute in Boston, Massachusetts could be the first example of a previously unknown part of the immune system that patrols the body for viruses and prevents them from causing harm....
Now, with a better understanding of why HIV cannot successfully infect monkey cells, researchers have a target for improving animal models that better mimic HIV disease in humans.

Knowing the role of TRIM5-alpha could also lead to methods of increasing the effectiveness of the human version, or, conceivably, to the administration of the more potent monkey version as a treatment itself.

"Identification of this HIV-blocking factor opens new avenues for intervening in the early stage of HIV infection, before the virus can gain a toehold," says US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases Director Anthony Fauci. "The discovery also gives us critical insights about viral uncoating, a little understood step in the viral lifecycle. Basic discoveries like this provide the scientific springboard to future improvements in therapies for HIV disease."

The research is reported in the journal Nature (read abstract).

A treatment approved for other purposes has been used to reverse immune deficiency in mice and may soon be tested for AIDS and similar conditions in humans.

Researcher Marilia Cascalho and colleagues from the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota report that the treatment regenerates T cells—lymphocytes that fight viruses and tumors—and could address diseases that affect the body's immune system....
To study the effects of gamma globulin on boosting T cell counts, the researchers transferred B cells or gamma globulin from normal mice into mice with limited T cell diversity.

They found that the thymus generated new T cells with increased diversity.

The next step for the researchers is to test their current findings in clinical trials.

Because gamma globulin is already approved by the US Food and Drug Administration, the findings could be quickly verified in humans.

"Because of this availability, we should expect to see some results in a matter of a few years, rather than in a decade or more," says Cascalho.

The research is reported in The Journal of Immunology (read abstract).

Manipulating one of the body's systems for destroying diseased cells could help eradicate HIV and treat AIDS.

Researchers from the Mayo Clinic College of Medicine in Rochester, Minnesota took current treatments for treating HIV a step further by identifying a molecule that can kill HIV-harboring cells—often called the "latent reservoir."...
"These drugs used to treat patients today—which do an excellent job on suppressing replicating virus—do nothing for the infectious virus contained within the latent reservoir," says Mayo researcher Andrew Badley. "If we can find a way to kill the virus that is present within the latent reservoir, we are on to a promising path towards a cure for HIV."....

To destroy the bombs, Badley and colleagues are looking at something called TNF-related apoptosis-inducing ligand (TRAIL), a naturally occurring molecule made by many cells in the immune system.

TRAIL binds to distinct receptors found on many tumor cells and signals these cells to destroy themselves through a process known as apoptosis.

For reasons still unclear, TRAIL only seeks and destroys abnormal cells, such as cancer cells or those containing HIV, and leaves healthy cells alone.

So for their study Badley and colleagues treated human HIV-infected cells with TRAIL.

In all cases, the treatment reduced the amount of virus present, and in three out of five samples, destroyed all signs of HIV, says Badley....

To see if the body's immune system could be coaxed to produce more TRAIL, Badley and colleagues looked to interleukins—a family of proteins that communicate with the immune system.

The researchers found that interleukin-15 increases the expression of TRAIL.

While successful in test tubes, however, the approach is not currently being tested on patients in clinical trials.

"We hope to pursue such work in the future," says Badley. "But in the here and now, I would simply say we are very encouraged by our results."

The research is reported in the Journal of Virology (read abstract).

Read some Asimov or some other various authors on their opinions on a society where robots replace those in jobs (if you think unions bitch already enough about jobs going elsewhere or automated, what do you think the populace will say when you tell them there is no need for them and robots can do it all).

The major issue, has to do with people aren't going to be happy doing nothing except twiddling their thumbs and living in a hedonistic world (unfortuantely the way the brain is those things will get dull real fast, happens to be rarity has a lot to do with how much we value particular activties which isn't too surprising).

Well it's happening right now.... look at farming, look at manufacturing. heck look at the semi-con foundries, some of the latest can work more than 24hrs without any human supervision or support, although they are supervised anyway, most of the time... I'm amazed to see it's even appearing in the service sector this soon(mc donalds testing automated burger flippers, and it and other chains automated cashiers, right now it's troublesome, but with ai voice recognizing humanoids it'll be easier than today)

I've read some asimov, he's one of my favourite authors. But thing is, in a global economy.... if taiwan/chinese cheap labor provides cheap dvds to american shores we can't compete pricewise. As automated systems become cheaper and cheaper, they'll be economically viable in more and more sectors. A fab/chain somewhere in the world automates some more, and they can outcompete all other non-automated companies, the others adapt or perish.

Look at walmart it's anti-union anti-benefits low-wages have been forced on many. Others to compete must do the same. Would some want a low-wage no-benefit, with no-long term guarantee of employment, tedious job? No. they've to accept it.

In a global economy those who automate will be able to provide better producs, faster and cheaper and more reliable in the long-term. The rest cannot compete, and this is already taking place everywhere.

PS
I can't wait for automated vehicles, I don't care if most don't like twiddling their thumbs(there's always universities, arts, travels, sports, etc etc anyway), for I prefer to wipe out virtually all [CAR] accidents [EDIT].

 

[zidane1strife]

Here are a few quotes, to elaborate more on this particular area(future sex developments), given the title of the thread, and my replies, I think it's appropriate:

Powerful computing, virtual reality and effective haptic interfaces are all under development today, and teledildonics will surely be among the first real-world application of these converging technologies.

Teledildonics offers many advantages over traditional sex.

For starters, teledildonic devices have tremendous implications for safe sex. People with sexually transmitted diseases such as AIDS or herpes, for example, can use them to have sex without risking transmission.

Men and women can also use teledildonic devices on demand without having to wait for partners to be in the mood. And couples separated by vast distances can have remote encounters currently unheard of. They will also be able to have active sex lives while remaining faithful to each other.

Teledildonics will also be a boon to people who, for whatever reason, cannot or will not establish traditional sexual relations. Some may be thankful for the anonymity teledildonic devices will offer.

Teledildonic devices could also prove helpful for handicapped people who are physically incapable of traditional sex.

And advanced teledildonic devices will allow limitless possibilities for creative sexual encounters.

Teledildonic devices give rise to the possibility of innovative and unforeseen changes to human sex rituals and acts.

After simulating the act of sex perfectly, advanced teledildonic devices could allow the next step: Enhancing the experience beyond anything naturally possible.

Quite soon, teledildonic devices will enable people to watch and talk to others on Websites while being remotely pleasured by them. Or they could use teledildonic devices when playing video games.

But the impact of teledildonics will probably be greatest following the development of strong virtual reality, which could include direct neural stimulation. The sophisticated VR technology required, however, is likely still decades away....

with the pace of technological development one thing seems clear: Today's sex is sure to seem utterly elementary and boring in comparison to the teledildonic sex likely in just a few years time.

Fortunately, in the past few decades we have made enormous progress in overcoming the physical and psychological barriers to active, guilt-free sexuality. We now assume that sexual activity is normal for everybody from children (at least masturbation) to seniors, and we openly discuss sexual dysfunctions.

Not just lust, but the amorphous ball of feeling called "love" itself is a biochemical phenomenon, amenable to manipulation. In Anatomy of Love, anthropologist Helen Fisher summarizes research arguing that love is composed of three biochemical process. The first process, driven by testosterone, is lust. The second process, infatuation, is controlled by dopamine, norepinephrine and phenylethylamine -- amphetamine-like chemicals that produce feelings of euphoria. The lust and infatuation chemicals peak after a year, and for the lucky few relationships that survive their decline a new biochemical response emerges based on oxytocin, vasopression and endorphins, which produce feelings of intimacy, trust and affection.

With better control of our brain chemistries we will not only be able to maintain or suppress lust, but also modulate the neurochemical bases of the subtler emotions we associate with love. We might be able to take pills to sustain feelings of romantic love and induce feelings of intimacy, or suppress them when they are directed at the unattainable.

As always, the question with these new technologies is not whether they are good or bad in themselves, but whether they will be used by free individuals in a free society, or when necessary on sex criminals. Testosterone to overcome sexual dysfunction in women is great, for example, until it become obligatory for women who don't want to have sex with their husbands.

As we continue to tease apart church and state, and increase the sphere of personal liberty, it seems inevitable that we will also eliminate the heterosexist and dyadist assumptions of current marriage law.

The spread of legal gay marriage in Europe, and its slower adoption in the US, has started to rationalize marriage as a social contract. Constitutionally laws against polygamy will also eventually fall, since they are clearly based in religious discrimination.

Eventually, I foresee co-housing and co-parenting contracts replacing civil marriage, contracts which recognize the bonds between small groups of people who have made commitments of some duration. I'm sure many people will still say vows in front of priests and rabbis for centuries to come, pledging their eternal love. But hopefully the democratic state will stop treating these dyads as the only legitimate lifestyle option.

Another thing we are already transcending is biological gender.

For those who feel they were born in the wrong gender we can give or take away breasts, construct new genitals and add appropriate hormones. Using gene therapies we will be able to ramp up testosterone or estrogen production, and selectively suppress sex-linked genetic traits, making hormone treatments unnecessary. Once we have perfected tissue cloning and genetic engineering, say in 50 years, we will be able to craft new, fully functional sexual and reproductive organs for transsexuals.

In the 21st century all the aspects of sexual dimorphism are up for mix and match to suit our psychological needs and aesthetic preferences.

We already have men getting penile implants, and women having cosmetic surgery on their genitalia. Why stop with just a cosmetic enhancement, or swapping your genitals for those of another sex, when you could have a penis with the responsiveness of a clitoris, or some entirely new sexual organ? The possibilities will be endless.

These media will soon be joined by "haptic" and "teledildonic" equipment that will communicate a partner's caresses and allow you to feel them. Extrapolating to the latter 21st century, when full nanotechnology-based virtual reality is in use, we will be able to have as high-bandwidth a sexual relationship electronically as in the flesh. That will probably mean a lot more casual e-sex and more commercial e-sex. But for those special someones it will also mean more profound sex.

Doing the nasty in nano-neuro VR will be far more intimate than in the flesh. We will be able to morph our genders, species, ages and numbers in VR, and open ourselves up to forms of tactile and emotional sharing that are impossible in the flesh-to-flesh.

We can hold an orgy on the moons of Jupiter, on lambskin rugs, with cherubim as an attentive audience. When we are fully wired into one another's brains, body sex may seem no more intimate than a handshake, something one does for exercise with casual acquaintances. We will reserve fully immersive mind-melds for only those special half-dozen folks in our plural marriages[or that special someone].

Words in [] were added by me, to better clarify what's been said.

 

[Cryect]

Alright sorry if anything is to out of whack, hardy night of drinking with a friend this night.

happens to be pretty expensive to make (due to its made with live rabbits and such)).

IT will be mass produced with genetically engineered bacteria. There are many trying to get'em to produce more complex things like glyco-prots(not sure if that's the correct name). It'll become cheap.

You can produce certain things pretty easily with bacteria. Antibodies easily aren't one of them unless you spend the money to be able to figure out there sequence and in which case you have spent a pretty penny. Then you have to create the sequence to insert into bacteria which in total will cost a fair amount and you aren't likely to be much cheaper than those who have the primary drug out. (the problem with antibody drugs is they are a lot more specific for a whole lot fewer people than the normal drugs that get copied. basically if I want to copy a drug these aren't the drugs I would copy for a quick buck).

Regeneration of teeth has been achieved succesfully in animals. A commercial venture comp( ODONTIS ), has already set out to begin human trials in two years, and has received funding for such. Shall they succeed, it'll be available in about a decade I'd say. Of course if you've the cash, and you see adequate success in the clinical trials, you can get it earlier by you know.

Regeneration of the spinal cord has been achieved in animals to various degrees of success, using solutions as simple as combining a few FDA approved drugs with growth factors right after injury, to stem cell therapies and the like.

Got no problem ethically with any of those and btw teeth are easy to do comparitively to a lot of things (and hope they get those pretty successful actually). Spinal cord injuries has issues with connecting things correctly. most likely various parts will not connect correctly, but the key is because things do connect with physical therapy one can hope to gain those things back. Unfortunately the higher you go up in organism unfortunately the harder it is to get those nerve cells to come back using growth factors and drugs. Its kinda possible in humans but physical therapy will still be a large necessity of course.

Regenerative medicine is advancing at a ridiculous pace, and tissue engineering is getting ever better. From proto-kidneys to heart-valves done with scaffolds coated with growth factors and the like, advances in medicine are on the horizon.

Hehe, I familar with the state of the art in those fields and its kinda depressing how many years there is left before they become commerical realities (actually it really isn't for myself since I'm in young 20's but for my parents and such it seems like it is depressing). Heh and I think you are using the term scaffolds wrong there unless you mean something that isn't the traditional biology term that we normally refer to scaffold.

Bacteria naturally present in the human vagina have been engineered to protect against HIV, offering the potential for inexpensive female-controlled AIDS prevention that could be suitable for both developed and developing nations....
In a novel approach, researchers from Stanford University in California, Rockefeller University in New York and the University of Pittsburgh in Pennsylvania have engineered the bacterium Lactobacillus jensenii to secrete proteins called two-domain CD4 that significantly decrease HIV virus infectivity.

Heh thats interesting I may say, I always like those people over at Rockefeller. Guess, should like those people over at UPitt considering I have friends there. Anyways AIDs research is unusually just very popular and only reason so much success has been made is because basically if you make any advancement at all in combatting AIDs you are practically guaranteed a paper in Nature/Science. Now I like to see some similar progress made against other STD's that are virii. Truefully I'm looking forward to automatic machines using genetic algorithms to find ways to combat against dieseases.

Well it's happening right now.... look at farming, look at manufacturing. heck look at the semi-con foundries, some of the latest can work more than 24hrs without any human supervision or support, although they are supervised anyway, most of the time... I'm amazed to see it's even appearing in the service sector this soon(mc donalds testing automated burger flippers, and it and other chains automated cashiers, right now it's troublesome, but with ai voice recognizing humanoids it'll be easier than today)

Yeah and the general effect is a lot of people bitching (not that they haven't been doing that for decades of course). Mc Donalds in general you won't see people protest else than people dislike machines as cashiers (people really like the psychology of dealing with real people even if it means more money).

I've read some asimov, he's one of my favourite authors. But thing is, in a global economy.... if taiwan/chinese cheap labor provides cheap dvds to american shores we can't compete pricewise. As automated systems become cheaper and cheaper, they'll be economically viable in more and more sectors. A fab/chain somewhere in the world automates some more, and they can outcompete all other non-automated companies, the others adapt or perish.

Look at walmart it's anti-union anti-benefits low-wages have been forced on many. Others to compete must do the same. Would some want a low-wage no-benefit, with no-long term guarantee of employment, tedious job? No. they've to accept it.

In a global economy those who automate will be able to provide better producs, faster and cheaper and more reliable in the long-term. The rest cannot compete, and this is already taking place everywhere.

Yeah, doesn't mean you won't have general social unrest as a result unfortunately. And cheap DVD's well Time Warner wants those but Disney was pissed off at that idea

I can't wait for automated vehicles, I don't care if most don't like twiddling their thumbs(there's always universities, arts, travels, sports, etc etc anyway), for I prefer to wipe out virtually all [CAR] accidents [EDIT].

agreed ^_^

 

[zidane1strife]

You can produce certain things pretty easily with bacteria. Antibodies easily aren't one of them unless you spend the money to be able to figure out there sequence and in which case you have spent a pretty penny. Then you have to create the sequence to insert into bacteria which in total will cost a fair amount and you aren't likely to be much cheaper than those who have the primary drug out

[note my following words are for things within the century, what could be in about a decade would be the regeneration of teeth, spinal cord as seen in mamals able to regain mobility, and with quick treatment the inhibition of the formation of scar tissue or destruction of present tissue that impedes nerves from growing across the area]
Genetic engineering and sequencing tech is getting ever cheaper, and ever better, faster. Massive computational power will come of age. The ability to handle cell cultures is getting ever more sophisticated, the ability to interpret the functions of genes and proteins is also getting better. The understanding of biological systems is getting ever better. Using petaflops(exa, depending on when we're talking about) of computer power, and advanced software, you will be able to put any molecule you like in, the computer will give you the appropriate anti-body, and fab it, with either the new advanced-large-non-bacterial-protein synthesis techniques that are coming of age, and will get cheaper and faster, for precision, or easily introduce it into the bacteria. We're already capable of fabbing a virus in about two weeks from simple molecules, raw materials, so even though much more complex, you might also fab the entire bacteria probably in about a month if you'd like(we're talking in this century, mind you).

. (the problem with antibody drugs is they are a lot more specific for a whole lot fewer people than the normal drugs that get copied. basically if I want to copy a drug these aren't the drugs I would copy for a quick buck).

Obviously even if this were super cheap, and you could make some cash, that's not the point. It's the power of the biotech revolution, you could come up with an antibody, by using raw computer power combined with advanced software to design the appropriate antibody, should you so desire

.unless you mean something that isn't the traditional biology term that we normally refer to scaffold.

Sorry, since I've heard of them using bio-degradable scaffolds, or whatever's the name, for other tissues like cartilage, I thought I recalled they'd also been used for this particular purpose, since I saw no problem with the technic. If it is not so and I recalled incorrectly, please pardon my error(I'm mostly speaking from memory, and with tens of 1000s of articles throughout the years, I might accidentally mix something by mistake).

Yeah and the general effect is a lot of people bitching (not that they haven't been doing that for decades of course). Mc Donalds in general you won't see people protest else than people dislike machines as cashiers (people really like the psychology of dealing with real people even if it means more money).

I read a recent article about RFID, that said 4 MILLION jobs will be affected, these are being deployed in places like walmart, and all major retailers. Of course the article said these people wouldn't lose their jobs, they'd just do customer service or helping throughout the store, I mean yeah walmart cares so much about their employees that's it's going to keep needless and expensive amounts of them doing whatever comes up, so that they may feed their families.... yeah, right. I foresee, the loss of many jobs, obviously not all 4 Million.

Truefully I'm looking forward to automatic machines using genetic algorithms to find ways to combat against dieseases.

That's excellent, but it's not the only kind of automation present, it's arriving in all areas and speeding things up. So, I'm awaiting further automation improvements in the labs. As you probably know more and more things are being automated, things that would once have required a post doc, can now be done by a grad student, with little training. What now requires specialists, and a lot of knowledge will also pass on to become simple cheap stuff for grad students in the future.

For example, automation is allowing for the scanning of 12s of thousand or even 100s of thousand of chems, drugs and, combination, to search for a particular effect. Be it inducing stem cells to differentiate into something in particular, revert back, or fight diseases or achieve other effects in general. Many areas are being drastically speed up, and as more is automated, the rate of advancement will also speed up. I've heard knowledge currently more than doubles every 5 years in the fields of biotech. Using ever more automated systems and ever more powerful and cheaper computing tech, and instruments, that growing body of knowledge will be put to good use, as everything's to speed up.

Edit:

DID googling and found this about scaffolds used for tissue engineering of heart valves

http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cach...ease11.12.03.b+scaffold+heart+valve&hl=en

 

[5150 Joker]

I would much rather see commercials with couples fucking rather than violence on TV--and I'm not even a ultra liberal or anything. I think conservatives just have a stick up their ass.

 

[epicstruggle]

I would much rather see commercials with couples fucking rather than violence on TV--and I'm not even a ultra liberal or anything. I think conservatives just have a stick up their ass.

my wife is pretty liberal and she doesnt want to see commercials of couples fucking.

epic

 

[nutball]

I would much rather see commercials with couples fucking rather than violence on TV--and I'm not even a ultra liberal or anything. I think conservatives just have a stick up their ass.

my wife is pretty liberal and she doesnt want to see commercials of couples fucking.

epic

Pretty liberal by whose standards?