far cry ps3 and stuff

[GraphixViolence]

So in summary:

VS3.0 instancing provides 0-10% boost on average. I don't think that's going to be very noticeable.

PS3.0 dynamic branching for multiple light sources doesn't work, but static branching (which should work fine with PS2_b and the X800, if Crytek chose to implement it) gives a 50% boost.

HDR using FP16 blending, which isn't part of SM3.0, results in a nice image (not sure how it looks better yet) but isn't usable with AA and is only playable at lower resolutions.

So what again is SM3.0 going to do to massively improve this game?

Considering that Far Cry uses lots of normal maps and large textures, I'd be much more interested to see what improvements were possible if they implemented 3Dc.

 

[IceWind]

Considering that Far Cry uses lots of normal maps and large textures, I'd be much more interested to see what improvements were possible if they implemented 3Dc

Considering the industry in the past has never done much with texture compression, I really don't expect ATI's 3Dc to do any better. More hype then anything else and few people are even discussing it as a worthwhile option in the industry.

 

[jvd]

Considering that Far Cry uses lots of normal maps and large textures, I'd be much more interested to see what improvements were possible if they implemented 3Dc

Considering the industry in the past has never done much with texture compression, I really don't expect ATI's 3Dc to do any better. More hype then anything else and few people are even discussing it as a worthwhile option in the industry.

dxtc was very popular .

Compresion is used in all games

 

[hovz]

I think the support for PS 3.0 will be Nvidia's trump card over ATI. Once developers start realizing the potential of PS 3.0, and begin implementing it in either existing or in development games, ATI is gonna be in serious trouble.

If these numbers prove correct about how much PS 3.0 improves Far Cry, developers are gonna start jumping bandwagons and the video card buyers will not be far behind either.

Im one of those people who also couldn't give a damn about AA. I honestly am to busying playing and enjoying the game rather then worrying about what the freaking edges look like. AF makes a difference that I never knew before with my Ti4200 and when I got my 9800pro, wow, that was a difference! But with AA, meh, not worth the performance hit.

Glad im waiting till fall till I upgrade to a Athlon 64 system and see who comes ahead, but I have a feeling I will be returning to Nvidia this round.

can you even read? . from that summary ps 3.0 isnt even being used. the only part of shader model 3 being used is instancing, and thats a 0 to 10% gain..... some people :?

 

[hovz]

Considering that Far Cry uses lots of normal maps and large textures, I'd be much more interested to see what improvements were possible if they implemented 3Dc

Considering the industry in the past has never done much with texture compression, I really don't expect ATI's 3Dc to do any better. More hype then anything else and few people are even discussing it as a worthwhile option in the industry.

do you enjoy being ignorant?....

 

[digitalwanderer]

Im one of those people who also couldn't give a damn about AA. I honestly am to busying playing and enjoying the game rather then worrying about what the freaking edges look like. AF makes a difference that I never knew before with my Ti4200 and when I got my 9800pro, wow, that was a difference! But with AA, meh, not worth the performance hit.

Sorry, this paragraph just slays me!

 

[AlNom]

doesn't AF have a much bigger performance hit than MSAA :? :?

 

[IceWind]

Sorry, this paragraph just slays me!

I wouldn't expect anything different from a man who lives and breaths video cards, but there are people out their who arn't so picky of how their games look.

 

[Tahir2]

Some people prefer the jaggy look... no way! Way!!

 

[digitalwanderer]

Sorry, this paragraph just slays me!

I wouldn't expect anything different from a man who lives and breaths video cards, but there are people out their who arn't so picky of how their games look.

I love how people can know everything about me without even knowing who I am.

 

[Nite_Hawk]

Sorry, this paragraph just slays me!

I wouldn't expect anything different from a man who lives and breaths video cards, but there are people out their who arn't so picky of how their games look.

I love how people can know everything about me without even knowing who I am.

I take it you haven't found the hidden camera yet then?

Nite_Hawk

 

[Nv500]

So in summary:
So what again is SM3.0 going to do to massively improve this game?

Gains are good - in game fps went from 20 to 30 in demo.

How about reading before posting?

 

[jvd]

How about reading before posting?

well to be fair with don't know if that is all p.s 3.0 it could just be newer drivers and p.s 3.0 .

Don't worry soon enough we will find out

 

[Nv500]

How about reading before posting?

well to be fair with don't know if that is all p.s 3.0 it could just be newer drivers and p.s 3.0 .

Don't worry soon enough we will find out

LOL,seems that you will never run out of excuses.

 

[jvd]

How about reading before posting?

well to be fair with don't know if that is all p.s 3.0 it could just be newer drivers and p.s 3.0 .

Don't worry soon enough we will find out

LOL

glad you find it funny

From the info we have we do not know what drivers the nv3x path was using.

We do not know what drivers the p.s 3.0 drivers were using

Gains are good - in game fps went from 20 to 30 in demo.

In the demo the fps went up.

This is an nivida event. I'm sure they picked the best case for the demo and used the best drivers to show off p.s 3.0

I don't get what your laughing at.

Till we actually have tests from review sites we should take it all with a grain of salt

 

[Nv500]

glad you find it funny

LOL,I always enjoy watching your show .

From the info we have we do not know what drivers the nv3x path was using.

We do not know what drivers the p.s 3.0 drivers were using

Nice excuse,but my suggestion is don't put all your money on one horse...

Well,here is something intersesting for you and your beloved r300 mode:

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=30854

 

[jvd]

whats so interesting about it ?

we know that as of now the r3x0 path provides the best image quality.

we know that fp 24 falls between fp 16/ fp32

Here is an interesting link btw

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/..._xt_pe_geforce_6800_gt_ultra/10/#far_cry_v1_1

looks like when using full percision the 6800ultra is about 10fps slower than the x800xt .


that is the x800xt with out any optimizations either no trylinear.

Also note they are using 4.5 betas compared to 61.34 dets .

What that shows me is that the 6800ultra is much slower in p.s 2.0 when rendering full percison compared to nvidia .

And i'm glad my threads entertain you.

 

[Humus]

Nice demo of soft shadows (penumbra's) with PS3.0. Basically do a a small number of shadow sampler tests. If all 0 then you'r out of shadow, if all 1 your in shadow otherwise you are in the penumbra so do 64 samples to get your shadow level.

Works well because the expensive sampling needed is only done if youre initial small sample set is not wholly in or wholly out of shadow. 2xfaster than equivalent PS2 shader (not shown)

Unfortunately for nVidia, I have developed a technique at work that will work as a drop-in replacement of dynamic branching that works in the most important situations where you'd otherwise need or prefer ps3.0. You'll probably have to resort to very esoteric effects to really require ps3.0. The effect you mention sounds like a perfect example where this technique would work equally well (or maybe even better) than using dynamic branching, depending on how much the cost of dynamic branches are.
Another typical example is the "early-out" kind of optimization where you for instance detect that the pixel is backfacing the light or is outside the light radius and just return zero instead of going through the all the lighting computations. I have implemented this for a typical "Humus-demo" scene with four lights. With early-out enabled I get 45fps. Without it's 14fps. That's more than 3x performance improvement. If you prefer to dwell in the darkness, the difference is 136fps vs. 25fps. 8) I'm not even sure nVidia's will be able to match that performance increase with ps3.0.

 

[jvd]

humus when are we going to see that in games

 

[pat777]

Nice demo of soft shadows (penumbra's) with PS3.0. Basically do a a small number of shadow sampler tests. If all 0 then you'r out of shadow, if all 1 your in shadow otherwise you are in the penumbra so do 64 samples to get your shadow level.

Works well because the expensive sampling needed is only done if youre initial small sample set is not wholly in or wholly out of shadow. 2xfaster than equivalent PS2 shader (not shown)

Unfortunately for nVidia, I have developed a technique at work that will work as a drop-in replacement of dynamic branching that works in the most important situations where you'd otherwise need or prefer ps3.0. You'll probably have to resort to very esoteric effects to really require ps3.0. The effect you mention sounds like a perfect example where this technique would work equally well (or maybe even better) than using dynamic branching, depending on how much the cost of dynamic branches are.
Another typical example is the "early-out" kind of optimization where you for instance detect that the pixel is backfacing the light or is outside the light radius and just return zero instead of going through the all the lighting computations. I have implemented this for a typical "Humus-demo" scene with four lights. With early-out enabled I get 45fps. Without it's 14fps. That's more than 3x performance improvement. If you prefer to dwell in the darkness, the difference is 136fps vs. 25fps. 8) I'm not even sure nVidia's will be able to match that performance increase with ps3.0.

I'll believe it when I see it. BTW, I like the "at work" part. It's still very interesting.

What about the other PS 3.0 effects?