female be with thy female partner, and reproduce"!!!
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you forgot to include the word "properly" although I'm actually not so sure about judaism... I have yet to come accross jewish teachings that state "treat non-jews as fairly as jews" but, of course, that could very well be because I havn't studied the religions teachings very much, only it's history.Wixard said:
Wixard said:
why? Thats like saying if x = 5a and a = 3 then y = 7
also we don't have laws, we just have models which are based on experiments and we cannot recreate the conditions of the big bang or even anything close yet.
There are several theories for creating something out of nothing and in fact current particle models do allow, say, a positron, electron and a photon to appear out of nowhere on the grounds that they reannihilate each other quickly enough to be within the uncertainty principle.
We also don't know that the bigband had to have appeared from nowhere, it may have just be a incredibly dense lump of matter that spontaneously went pop.
Crusades anyone?
Thing is, just because we don't know how it occurred doesn't mean god exist. I'd rather honest theories rather than some gigantic 'x-factor' which god supposedly represents.
Although trying to get back to the subject, doesn't the feeling of not being required for the continuation of the human race make any of the blokes feel just a little bit weird?
Cartoon Corpse
Veteran
Wixard said:
sorry about that. having some internet problems (and a couple scotches that night)...got kinda ticked at an apparent explorer hijacking...probably said things due to being in a rant mood. coulda worded things much differently. apologies.
heathen: yeah i take all that into accounts as well. crusaded, witch trials, spanish inquisition, etc.
On the subject of forcing two egg nuclei together, it's no surprise it took them so many attempts, and that there's no guarantee that the resulting offspring won't have some massive problems later on.
Research has shown that there are a lot of very subtle mechanisms set up to guide the very first cell divisions in an embryo, and slamming a second nucleus into the first it not one to spare the molecular paint job.
Eggs have complex guide paths and chemical cues for aligning genetic material, and the male nuclei, for all the relative simplicity of the sperm, have complementary mechanisms for following those paths. Two femal nuclei would probably in most cases behave as if they were expecting a male gamete's payload to wend its way to them, and would only act on a female nucleus if severely stressed.
I think it would be more likely that science would figure a way to make gestation redundant before making paternity irrelivant. If they can make the womb-omatic, then both the mother and the father wind up having similar amounts of effort in child-making.
Research has shown that there are a lot of very subtle mechanisms set up to guide the very first cell divisions in an embryo, and slamming a second nucleus into the first it not one to spare the molecular paint job.
Eggs have complex guide paths and chemical cues for aligning genetic material, and the male nuclei, for all the relative simplicity of the sperm, have complementary mechanisms for following those paths. Two femal nuclei would probably in most cases behave as if they were expecting a male gamete's payload to wend its way to them, and would only act on a female nucleus if severely stressed.
I think it would be more likely that science would figure a way to make gestation redundant before making paternity irrelivant. If they can make the womb-omatic, then both the mother and the father wind up having similar amounts of effort in child-making.
Killer-Kris
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Wixard said:
Well I do believe it is fairly certain now that there was once life on Mars, maybe still is. I do believe that Venus, Earth, and Mars all sit in the habitable life zone. Only Venus has this pesky little global warming problem at the moment, and Mars needs a little global warming.
Then we come to the topic of Europa, Enceladus, and now Titan that are all hypothesized to have good chances of supporting life as well.
So that gives us how many chances, that we know of, does that give us in just this solar system alone? How about all the other solar systems being discovered on a regular basis, how many chances are there going to be in those systems as well?
I dunno like a few people pointed out, while life may really be a long shot as far as the odds go, there is certainly no shortage of chances for it.
Wixard said:
Unfortunately that whole religion/god thing is not any better. The Big Bang theory and the other scientific theories at least base themselves on tangible observations. Not some random book(s) that claim something with no basis. Not saying any of them are necesarily right, some just look a whole lot more believable than others.
Long story short...
Same as "God made the universe"........"what made God?"........" Its looping logic.
Killer-Kris said:
Well thats the whole point. No matter what theory/belief you have, the chain of events started at a point. It had to. God is what someone called the "X" Factor.
My point wasnt to show how improbable it is for life, i do believe life, in whatever form is floating/crawling around the universe. My point was to show how improbable it was for the universe to be here, and for us to be debating God. Why would any sentient being not want to believe in an afterlife? What purpose is there to it? That gives me evidence of "faith" (a requirement of christianity, specifically, but also a requirement of other religions)
Assuming all religion is something only cavemen have, and more "advanced" people feel its beneath them is a mistake.
At this point its the only "theory" that has evidence, and the only one that can completely explain everything. If we cant possibly comprehend a surpreme being, i dont think its possible at all to reduce the idea to "improbable" status.
Now that doesnt mean islam/christianity/etc is more correct over another. But i do think God exists. Whether hes what major religions say is a differant story.
Cartoon Corpse said:
i doubt Tomohiro Kono is a chick
.If a woman has the capacity to and equipment to replicate their pointless procedure then she will have to resort to other method to reproduce.
I fail to see any importance in these findings. Didn't the sheep "clones" use a method of parthenogenesis of eggs "fertilized" by existing genetic material a sheep? No one is running about chanting cloning has rendered parents obsolete.
From what i have read i wouldn't be suprised if this couldn't be replicate on other forms of life so easily.
It won't be to long woman's cherished position of incubator is removed.
Cartoon Corpse said:
Well, a bunch of dudes also developed what we call society.
Female spiritualism is mainly sexual and fertility mythos.
We share similiar ideas about religion.
Honestly i find women as much a frustration as judaism/christianity ever was for me. Both are far to emotionally out of control
Hmmm... I never have seen God in person. I mean, I see him on the Priceline commercials and The Practice all the time, but still, that can be faked.regener8 said:
regener8 said:
HUH??Sorry maybe i should rephrase that... HUH?