Returnal (Housemarque) [PS5, PC]

[eastmen]

Thankfully Micron announced 24 and 48 gig dimms of ddr 5.

 

[Reynaldo]

Which is why I asked.

Maybe I misread your tone, it seemed like a rhetorical question. Already answered, anyway.

 

[iroboto]

On the flip side they are now recommending an SSD at all levels though. This certainly makes sense given the games fast loading, but it's interesting that the recommended which seem to be PS5 spec (1060p/60) only asks for 16GB now. Testing load and restart times in this game should be interesting on different systems.

But in seriousness, looking forward to this port and seeing the inner workings here. Hopefully Alex has this one in his queue, want to see how the different speeds and memory configurations affect this one. Would still like to see Demon Souls as well, but that seems to be held as exclusive.

 

[davis.anthony]

*Use of performance enhancing upscaling like NVIDIA DLSS is recommended when using both ray-traced reflections and ray-traced shadows.

The GPU recommendations make no sense.

The recommended preset suggests a RTX2070 on the Nvidia side but a 6700XT on the AMD side? That's a huge gulf in performance tier between the two with Techpowerup having the 6700XT being 30% faster.

Then we get to EPIC preset where the Nvidia side see's the 3080 recommended which is a ridiculously large jump in performance over the 2070 but the AMD side only requires a 6800XT which is a pretty small jump in performance over the 6700XT and much smaller than 2070 to 3080.

Then the ray tracing recommendations 3080ti vs 6950? In RT performance the 3080ti slaughters the 6950XT but in Returnal the 6950XT is enough to offer the same experience? Unless the game is super optimised for RDNA2's RT they've gimped the RT implementation.

Curious to see the benchmarks....

 

[Unknown Soldier]

What a surprise... the 32GB RAM for recommended specs has been dropped to 16GB

Returnal (Housemarque) [PS5, PC]

I think the "percentage issue" was already sorted well enough, but I'm curious to see your math reaching that 62%? Sorry, must have picked the wrong numbers for the 980Ti, the correct percentage is 85%.

forum.beyond3d.com

Recommended was always 16GB.

 

[SmooTh]

Back in December it was 32GB

 

[Inuhanyou]

I'm guessing recommend settings tell us exactly what PS5 is using and what PC is equivalent to. Nice!

6700xt 12gb and 2700xt seems like PS5 level power

If they were planning 32gb at any point I'm glad the requirements were dropped. Even if it's just for hdd players it is a lot more restrictive than telling people to get even a cheap SSD instead of trying to force their way with hdd

I think seeing hdd support for PC ports of console games will quickly fall away for upgrading to sata instead which only makes sense.

 

[pjbliverpool]

Back in December it was 32GB

Yes it looks as though they've directly swapped in the SSD recommendation in place of the extra 16GB RAM. Very interesting.

 

[PSman1700]

6700xt 12gb and 2700xt seems like PS5 level power

I dont think youd need a 6700xt for like for like experiences, which is never truly possible anyways.

 

[Inuhanyou]

I dont think youd need a 6700xt for like for like experiences, which is never truly possible anyways.

So 6600? Alex said PS4 was closest to 3700xt but maybe PS5 CPU is closer to 2700xt instead

 

[Phantom88]

6700XT is pretty substantially faster than a ps5 level of gpu. 31-35% faster than a 5700xt/2070. Basically a 2080TI, 3-4% behind it

 

[Globalisateur]

So 6600? Alex said PS4 was closest to 3700xt but maybe PS5 CPU is closer to 2700xt instead

PS5 CPU is about 2700 or 1700x. We know this from actual benchmarks (at least 2). PS5 CPU is Zen 2 mobile. It has much less cache than desktop Zen 2 and is only clocked at 3.5 ghz.

 

[davis.anthony]

So 6600? Alex said PS4 was closest to 3700xt but maybe PS5 CPU is closer to 2700xt instead

Yep, 6600XT has 10.6Tflops and while it has slightly less CU's it clocked higher than PS5, it also has infinity cache which PS5 lacks.

The 6700 series are a performance tier above what PS5 has.

 

[Inuhanyou]

PS5 CPU is about 2700 or 1700x. We know this from actual benchmarks (at least 2). PS5 CPU is Zen 2 mobile. It has much less cache than desktop Zen 2 and is only clocked at 3.5 ghz.

I see. And I guess it's the same for series consoles?

 

[Deleted member 11852]

I see. And I guess it's the same for series consoles?

Yes, except the Seres consoles have a configurable SMT mode. DF did a good comparison table of the three consoles in their Series S analysis.

The Series X CPU is 3.6 Ghz with SMT enabled (like PS5) but if you disable SMT the CPU clock rises to 3.8 Ghz.
The Series S CPU is 3.4 Ghz with SMT enabled and 3.6 Ghz disabled.

 

[Inuhanyou]

Yes, except the Seres consoles have a configurable SMT mode. DF did a good comparison table of the three consoles in their Series S analysis.

The Series X CPU is 3.6 Ghz with SMT enabled (like PS5) but if you disable SMT the CPU clock rises to 3.8 Ghz.
The Series S CPU is 3.4 Ghz with SMT enabled and 3.6 Ghz disabled.

I wonder what the benefit of not using smt is? Since that's where the real power is. Is it just for easy transition from last gen or for smaller devs who don't need all the CPU power using smt afford?

 

[Deleted member 11852]

I wonder what the benefit of not using smt is? Since that's where the real power is. Is it just for easy transition from last gen or for smaller devs who don't need all the CPU power using smt afford?

In highly-threaded code, disabling SMT and dropping from sixteen concurrent threads down to eight can hammer performance - noting that on both systems, game code does not have access to all available cores/threads because some are reserved by the OS.

Giving devs the option is the better choice.

 

[Below2D]

They didn't announce DirectStorage for this but is it possible to retroactively add it via a patch/update or late into the development? Or is it something that has to be planned ahead?

 

[Dampf]

The GPU recommendations make no sense.

The recommended preset suggests a RTX2070 on the Nvidia side but a 6700XT on the AMD side? That's a huge gulf in performance tier between the two with Techpowerup having the 6700XT being 30% faster.

Then we get to EPIC preset where the Nvidia side see's the 3080 recommended which is a ridiculously large jump in performance over the 2070 but the AMD side only requires a 6800XT which is a pretty small jump in performance over the 6700XT and much smaller than 2070 to 3080.

Then the ray tracing recommendations 3080ti vs 6950? In RT performance the 3080ti slaughters the 6950XT but in Returnal the 6950XT is enough to offer the same experience? Unless the game is super optimised for RDNA2's RT they've gimped the RT implementation.

Curious to see the benchmarks.

It makes perfect sense. The game on PS5 always runs a GI that is using Hardware acceleration for Raytracing to speed up calculations. So in a way, some sort of RTGI would always be on even when RT shadows and reflections are turned off. And since Turing has faster RT acceleration than RDNA2, Turing pushes above its weight.

 

[davis.anthony]

It makes perfect sense. The game on PS5 always runs a GI that is using Hardware acceleration for Raytracing to speed up calculations. So in a way, some sort of RTGI would always be on even when RT shadows and reflections are turned off. And since Turing has faster RT acceleration than RDNA2, Turing pushes above its weight.

You've not understood my point.