Bondrewd
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Wait what da-
The fuck.
AMD is the last vendor I expected to go s/w on ALU scoreboarding.
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Wait what da-
The fuck.
AMD is the last vendor I expected to go s/w on ALU scoreboarding.
At the time in my region yes, but it's not as if i have a time machine to travel back in time and tell my self to take printscreens and post it here as evidence, so take my word as is, don't to believe it? Fine by me, don't. Im not here to try to drag this into useless prolongued arguments with examples of both cases to show both sides were true on some different corner to the planet at some point in time.
Can't tell if AMD behaves by wait and see being optimistic to see if the final consumer somehow graces them with increased interest on their products but seeing they do nothing until their revenue dropped by 40% to wake up and call out to AIB's to cut their msrp just proves too litle too late but anyway, i won't waste more of my time on discussing my views, won't change what's past or what's to come.
On the topic of sorting there was this all the back on page 4 wonder if it is part of the RT improvements rumored. 
The question around dedicated matrix hardware was touched on in the June tomshardware interview.
The question around dedicated matrix hardware was touched on in the June tomshardware interview.
Bondrewd
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Oh you're getting a whole load of those.
Yea you're not getting MFMA in client ever.
Better SIMD tricks for sure.
And then there's XDNA AIE if you want a nice low power option for mobile.
What does this mean exactly?
Bondrewd
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They did what NV did in Kepler/Maxwell (dunno what degree yet so can't say exactly) and went from h/w to s/w ALU scoreboarding to save on power/area.
It's like the last thing I expected AMD to do given the compiler work necessary; they've been clinging to their h/w one for a decade now.
Jawed
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Sigh, we've been talking about the software (compiler) scoreboarding for months now. Can't believe others have only just noticed.
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AMD: RDNA 3 Speculation, Rumours and Discussion
You're now getting to my point. We have some nebulous "Ampere is x times faster than Turing for ray tracing". You reference two games, Dying Light 2 and Control and instead of using the data points for Ampere versus Turing to validate whether those games and their RT performance are even worth...
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AMD: RDNA 3 Speculation, Rumours and Discussion
Ampere hasn't muddled anything though. It's people who don't understand how it was different from Turing who muddled something. There was a recent(?) example of muddling with units similarly, getting sued and losing the suit. Many had argued for years that it was just people not understanding...
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Bondrewd
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Sorry I was literally killing russians back then.
In a trench.
A lot have flown under the radar, really.
This thing sounds like they do hardware ray coherency sort.
No they don't. Whether upscaling is used or not the tensor cores also predict how to best fuse together the output of the optical flow generator with the optical flow/motion vectors coming from the application.
It's well described here: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/dlss3-ai-powered-neural-graphics-innovations/
You don't go very far with pure brute force RT as the computational and bandwidth costs would be insanely high
Henry swagger
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Graphics score 7900 xt needs to compete with the 4090 in raster
Kyyla
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I know this is OT but godspeed and good luck to you all.
Bondrewd
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Thanks.
And like, the situation is surely miles better than it was back in May.
TESKATLIPOKA
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Still 2 days until announcement.
I wonder If they will announce the Full N31 or a cutdown version first, as they did with RDNA2.
I wonder If they will announce the Full N31 or a cutdown version first, as they did with RDNA2.
2 days? I thought we had to wait until Nov 7th!
Bondrewd
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They'll announce both but the availability gonna be shifted.
It's a teeny 308mm^2 die as far as stuff you care about is concerned.
It's 3rd aka this Thursday.2 days? I thought we had to wait until Nov 7th!
10th for Genoa.
And today is also their Q3 ER.
2 days? I thought we had to wait until Nov 7th!
maybe some days are bigger than other days?
Silent_Buddha
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maybe some days are bigger than other days?
...some days are bigger than others...
...some days are bigger than others...
...some days' mothers are bigger than other days' mothers...
Sorry, being into New Wave (USA, maybe they were pop in Britain?) back in the 80's means that immediately popped into my head when I saw that.
Regards,
SB
How much binning can they realistically do with N31 before they get into N32 territory?
Full chip- 48WGP and 6MCD
Rumored cutdown- 42WGP and 5MCD (but shouldn't it be 40WGP?)
I guess they could do an oddball 44WGP and 6MCD.
Just depends on where exactly they fall performance-wise. We know Nvidia was trying to price a 3090Ti replacement at $899...
I could see a lineup looking something like this:
Navi31 (~2x Navi21)
$1400-1600 48WGP and 6MCD, AIB specials w/ 450-500w
$1199 44WGP and 6MCD @ 350w
$999 40WGP and 5MCD @300w
Navi32 (~1.6x Navi21)
$749 32WGP and 4MCD @250w
$649 28WGP and 4MCD @225w
$549 24WGP and 3MCD @200w
Navi33 (~Navi21)
$479 16WGP @180w
$429 14WGP @150w
$379 12WGP @ 130w
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Pretty sure they announced all Navi 21 GPU's - 6900XT, 6800XT and 6800 - at the same time.
EDIT: https://www.kitguru.net/components/...unces-rx-6900-xt-rx-6800-xt-and-rx-6800-gpus/
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