AMD Radeon RDNA2 Navi (RX 6500, 6600, 6700, 6800, 6900 XT)

Here's 36+ 6800XTs sat on the shelves (add them to your basket) :

AMD RX 6800 XT - Graphics Cards AMD | Ebuyer.com

And currently there's 7 of these:

AMD RX 6900 XT - Graphics Cards AMD | Ebuyer.com

4+ have sold since I last looked at 10:30am. They've been there for a few days now.

5950X seems to have more of a supply problem right now than 6000 series. I suppose Milan is gobbling them up.

The ASUS TUF card gets a glowing review from Hardware Unboxed, for what it's worth.

Meanwhile:

Week 5 Mindfactory.de Total Gaming GPU Sales 2190 Units Nvidia 62.10% and Radeon 37.90% : realAMD (reddit.com)

1) RX 6900XT = 215 Units.
2) RX 6800 = 215 Units.
3) RX 6800XT = 210 Units

Meanwhile:
https://www.3dcenter.org/news/die-grafikchip-und-grafikkarten-marktanteile-im-vierten-quartal-2020
 
Doesnt look too healthy, and since profits for console gpus are minimal, AMD should come with something competitive in the pc space now. Use the Zen profits/resources?
 
AMD's Q4 GPU portfolio was high-end based. No new mainstream products, no new low-end products. Polaris is very old now and AMD doesn't offer any replacement for this price-point yet. Despite lower market share, their margins and maybe event profit could be better because of much higher ASP.
 
AMD should come with something competitive in the pc space now
They don't give a shit about lower end client PC/dGPU.
They're very busy hiring people and penetrating channel wherever they can (look up their recent hires and all).
Use the Zen profits/resources?
Yeah that's exactly what they're doing by taping shitton of parts out to cover the market and hiring big channel ppl to make sure said products penetrate said markets.
AMD's Q4 GPU portfolio was high-end based
Yeah but the revs were still down YoY (that's despite the mining boom cleaning everything resembling dGPs off the shelves).
 
They are still selling everything they are producing with demand for more, the issue is TSMC being limited in 7nm capacity and with the need to share it with everything AMD does. Not suprising, it was clear with months in advance that APU/laptop and CPU business was first priority for AMD. Moreover they started selling new GPUs in late November, while Nvidia had the full quarter for their RTX 3000 series (with the 3070 only in slight delay).
 
I wonder how the mismanagement of production will cost them in the end. Especially on the cpu side, where they have better products than Intel for some sectors, but are not able to gain a lot of market share due to low availability (their are other factors of course, but still).
 
Some leaked/rumored performance comparisons:

https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-6700-xt-12-gb-graphics-card-gaming-vulkan-opencl-benchmarks-leak/

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If we assume Geekbench's compute benchmark as a measurement of pure compute performance, then the 6700XT has to be clocking like crazy.

The RX6800 averages at 2200MHz which results in around 16.9 TFLOPs. It's getting a 127000 score with 16.9 TFLOPs.
In that leaked result the 6700XT is getting 103000 score, which is the equivalent of a 13.7 TFLOPs in compute performance.

To get to 13.7 TFLOPs, the 40 CUs in the 6700XT would need to be running at ~2680MHz.

We might be looking at the first GPU to ever cross the 3GHz mark on air.
Unless TSMC misses the mark on their performance predictions, it seems like a safe bet to assume almost all desktop RDNA GPUs on 3nm will be running at over 3GHz.
 
I wonder how the mismanagement of production will cost them in the end
Mismanagement? Oh dear.
Especially on the cpu side
Going stonks with CZN/LCN availability being OK and Milan going GA in ~4 days.
Lol :) explains it all.
The rich man's brand yea.
We might be looking at the first GPU to ever cross the 3GHz mark on air.
Heat density would prevent that from happening but still.
 
Contracts for production are signed with a LOT of advance, and "backporting" products on other processes is costly and it takes a lot of time. Not only for the contractor, but for the supplier, too. TSMC itself would have been delighted to know with a 5 years advance that their products would have been so well received by the market and that a global pandemic would have fueled computer devices demand sky high, so they could have easily built the needed capacity and their already groundbreaking results would have been even more stellar.
 
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Mismanagement? Oh dear.
So far it really looks like AMD mismanaged the situation. AMD planned the whole 2020-2021 mix of RDNA 1/2, Ryzen 3k/5k, APUs 4k/5k, CDNA, EPYC 2/3, two consoles, etc. on a single TSMC N7 or whatever it's called. The need of capacity for the console ramp was known years prior.

Leveraging the EUV variants of TSMC 7nm would surely be costlier but free the available capacity, wouldn't it? I mean putting the high margin RDNA 2 and CDNA 1(2) there would be cool, right?
 
They're building as fast as they can already.
Yes, but had this demand been known beforehand like the hypothetical scenario above assumed for TSMC, they could have built more manufacturing capacity in those 5 years.
 
Yeah but the revs were still down YoY (that's despite the mining boom cleaning everything resembling dGPs off the shelves).
Revenues are up YoY according to their latest FY results.

Do you mean revenues from their discrete GPU business?


Heat density would prevent that from happening but still.
Maybe, but the chip isn't that small at 250mm^2.
 
So far it really looks like AMD mismanaged the situation
Oh noes, no.
Leveraging the EUV variants of TSMC 7nm would surely be costlier but free the available capacity, wouldn't it?
They don't exist anymore; N6 is later.
I mean putting the high margin RDNA 2 and CDNA 1(2) there would be cool, right?
Neither of those are even remotely high-margin (or even relevant; ahoy, AMD's winning the mobile game for the first time in their history) versus CPU parts of the portfolio.
dGPUs are a silly accretive business from a CPU house POV.
Throw enough money at it and everything is possible, even ASML building more machines
ASML has a gigantic backlog of stuff that doesn't seem to shrink at this point.
Do you mean revenues from their discrete GPU business?
Yeah, we're talking dGPs here and all.
Maybe, but the chip isn't that small at 250mm^2.
N22 is ~340mm^2 or so.
The issue is obviously hotspots.
 
Eh, there's a packaging shortage for chips, among other components. Supposedly AMD has over a billion dollars worth of otherwise finished inventory just waiting around because they can't get non sexy but necessary components, shipping costs are skyrocketing globally, etc. etc.

It's entirely within reason to suspect AMD has a decent amount of actual dies and fab capacity but are simply blocked elsewhere, like literally everyone else on the planet is as well.
 
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