out of respect for another forum member I will not directly quote Jayco
So his issue is that there cannot be a bunch of manufacturers (like this little known company like Samsung) that can produce high quality SSDs and, because they are universally compatible parts instead of using a propietary format, selling them cheaper than the ripoff MS is selling for 270€ (lol). There has to be some hidden downside, there always is for these guys. You should check the PS5 thread.
Firstly, I'll address that I can move positions all the time, if you present a better point or you clarify a point I can move. I have no problems moving on. Secondly, I have debated with a great deal of many people, pro Sony etc, and in the end I still give them the respect that they deserve instead of just writing them off. I will debate with anyone and I won't write them off because I know about their attachment to the device. I think it's rude to do that to someone, to nonchalant toss away their arguments just because they are more invested into an ecosystem then you are. Normally I don't psycho analyze people, but anything I write, you have twisted my wording in a way that makes it impossible for me to get my points across to you. You give me absolutely no affordance that you give to any other member here, and it shows because you think I think 5.5 GB/s is the exotic part of the PS5, an not the controller; so I'm not even sure if it's worth even trying.
So you've twisted my wording in the quote above very specifically to make it seem like I'm pro Xbox here. That there's no way someone can produce something better and cheaper than what Xbox did with their outrageously priced drives. But that was not why I brought them into the conversation. I brought them into the conversation because they needed the drive to fit their profile requirements, and some of those requirements may not have to do with drive performance at all. And those requirements will come at a cost.
You see, you're greatest point here is that the 980 Pro Samsung, is both faster and cheaper than the xbox drive. Therefore you win, and I'm looking pretty stupid. But you're only reading 2 parts of that drive which is the price and read speed. And the reason you suggest it will be cheaper is because the port is non proprietary and sold mass market and it's already faster than the 5.5Gb/s ssd in the PS5. But you know nothing about the perofmrance requires of PS5 and there are likely to be performance implications that are more than likely more than just the read speed. On top of that you still need to factor in acceptable sizes. Standard sizes can range from 30mm (2230), 42mm (2242), 60mm (2260), 80mm (2280), and 110mm (22110). Drive heights can also vary. You can have different socket types and whatever else that has nothing to do with drive performance.
So even if the performance profile is correct, you still can't guarantee to me that the 980 Pro SSD will fit in the PS5 because you don't know what lengths it support, you don't know what heights it will support. The reason to bring up the Xbox SSD is because it very clearly has, a non traditional size, so there is reason behind the madness of building that ridiculous drive in the first place. Yes the customers will pay as a result of this, but in the end that is the cost of a solution to resolve their performance and size characteristics of which both Series consoles have absolutely no room in the chassis for a standard nvme slot.
And so my position of just _sit_ and wait_ to see, is really that. You have nearly no information about what can go in that PS5. And if it so happens that the PS5 will accept the 980 Pro, yay. That's great, everyone wins. If not, then not. But I'm not so sold on the assumption that you are that I could go and buy a 980 Pro today and with plans for it to work in the PS5. No one here should.
There is quite frankly, not enough information. You might be comfortable with less in choosing a position to stand on. But I'm not. You know what's awesome that I use in my job everyday? It's called a sigmoid
It looks like this:
On the y-axis 1 means true and 0 means false, all we need to do is bring evidence to the table on the X-axis. That's how we do machine learning basically. So if you have 0 information, you can see it's a 50/50 chance of going both ways. If you have 1 piece of information, it leans more true but it's still far from being correct. But you can see once you pass 6 pieces or more of information, the probabilities are being more locked into place. And even if you introduce a small piece of information in the other direction, the probability is still pretty much locked. That means most of the variance around going one way or the other, is when there is next to nothing in terms of information that is available.
That's where I'm at when it comes to positioning for an argument. You guys say, hey there's is 7GB drives available. Okay +2. I say well not all of them meet the threshold criteria for thermal throttling, -1 or -2. Then you say, well you can't etc etc. And then I say, well you don't know about which drive size will fit in there either.
And we go back and forth, and either there's enough push and pull to pull it to a high True factor or False factor. But right now as I see it, we're still debating between -2 and +2 on this sigmoid graph. Far from anything locked. If I'm missing something, bring it up. But right now, you're telling me the minus evidence I'm bringing to the table is just concern trolling. That's not the way I see it. That graph, that's my perspective. As in, if you don't have a strong enough evidence that I can claw you back to the point of inflection, your argument still needs more work. I have no problem leaning 1 way or the other. But do you know why I say that we'll just need to wait and see? Because I don't have enough information to drag it away from the middle either. So we've exhausted our information and we're still in limbo.
So... I'm just going to wait.
