Coronavirus Pandemic (COVID-19) (SARS-CoV-2) [2020]

wco81 said:
It's one thing for them to open.

But it doesn't appear they care about limiting capacity so there would be fewer people in the premises.

Of course the casinos need high traffic, not a bunch of pussies distancing themselves while they lose money at the card tables.

In a country where people sue McDonalds for serving coffee that is too hot, you'd think there would be huge legal liability in allowing a big gathering indoors like that.


Where would CES have been held, in a convention center in Vegas right? So how is a packed casino any better than a packed convention center?
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How is a packed town square any better ?

At least this way people are enjoying themselves and money is flowing. People are earning money and spending money in Vegas.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1269340938763034625

Look at the protests. So if medical professions are allowing this , if Mayors are increasing gathering group laws for protesters why not for gambling? At this point why are we closed. All those people in Philly are going to start spreading the virus. Some have masks , the majority are home made. How often are those washed ? In 80 degree weather how many times were the masks moved or removed, how long do the masks stay effective as they are exposed more and more to the virus.

We are going to see huge spikes in the communities that have had these protests and riots. We know because they are already trying to get ahead of it.
 
A nice gift to potentially bring home to family members and friends as well. That's the bigger issue here. It's not just personal risk which may be very small for most individuals, it's the risks of spreading the virus elsewhere to more vulnerable people (not to mention the risk to health care workers).

This is true for both the casinos and the outdoor protests, though slightly less risk for the latter. I don't doubt that the forthcoming surge in cases will be blamed entirely on the protests and not the premature reopening of shops and other public areas pushed through in many states.
 
eastmen said:
At least this way people are enjoying themselves and money is flowing. People are earning money and spending money in Vegas.

Look at the protests. So if medical professions are allowing this...
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Medical professionals aren't allowing it - you can't stop it. If the government tried to ban them, they'd just crank up the violence. Gambling is people wanting some fun. Protesting is people wanting social change on a historical level. There's clearly different priorities at play. No-one should be even protesting, let alone gambling/hanging at bars/mixing socially, if you want to keep the spread down. As you can't stop the protests, you have to let them happen and wince at the increased case numbers that'll follow, but consider that part of the cost of the social upheaval. Having large crowds protesting doesn't excuse all other gatherings though. "Well if millions are allowed to protest, why can't I have a dozen mates over for a BBQ?" is a woefully naive attitude that all too many people have.

Until there's a vaccine, social distancing and limited social movement is necessary unless a country is happy to have the disease run a natural course with widespread infections and the associated medical fall-out. Opening up social gatherings on top of the protests is just adding fuel to the Covid19 fire.
 
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eastmen said:
At least this way people are enjoying themselves and money is flowing. People are earning money and spending money in Vegas.
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haha Only you could see gambling in Las Vegas being more important in the great scheme of things than a BLM protest.

I'm not comfortable seeing the mass protests, whether they're in the US, UK or wherever, but I can understand the motivation behind them. People have decided that this is simply too important to let lie, and to be honest I'm not sure I'm in a position to argue with them. There are bound to be consequences though; we'll just have to wait and see if there's a significant spike in infections or whether we get lucky.
 
At least when I see videos of the protest crowds I see substantial Mask use. In the various Vegas videos I've seen maybe 2 out of thousands.

The last week of June, say two weeks from now around June 21st onward, will be very telling in the expected Covid19 case spikes. It's going to be extremely bad news for everyone to cover going through the July 4th Holiday period.

And remember, this is not RPSC forum so economic impact and social equality posts are not allowed here.
 
Yep. We cannot discuss the moral/political/social reasons or virtues of any actions here. It's just a look at the actions of people and States in managing the spread of the disease and finding solutions (or just embracing it!).

As for a spike, I don't think it'll manifest that way. It'll be the gradient changing,a subtle steering of the infection rate up or down. That's because of the long incubation period and diversity of symptoms. Intstead of there being a visible spike in the graphed data, we'll see the whole curve shift direction. In the UK, there's a clear change in gradient in the graph I linked to earlier. Rather than a spike, perhaps expect a kink; a significant curve in the infection trajectory. If it is a spike, with the gradient shooting up, that'll be real bad as you'll be back into exponential growth territory.
 
The data is inherently spiky though. ;) Anyone catching Covid19 at a recent event is going to manifest anything from 4 to 8+ days from now, which'll be a bump, and then a change in direction if it has lasting effects.

I can't see those Florida graphs - region locked.
 
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2019 Novel Coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19) for Dallas County Texas
https://www.dallascounty.org/departments/dchhs/2019-novel-coronavirus.php

June 6, 2020 - 11,830 confirmed cases - 262 deaths

11,830 confirmed cases up 289 and two new deaths
those 289 new cases represent a 2.5% increase over the last day

The new cases over the last three days of +285, +298 and now +289 are the highest they have ever been. Not Good.

And our Texas Governor Abbot has just opened up more businesses and is now allowing up to 75% occupancy so many more cases and deaths will be coming in the future.


Increases (by percent) over the last 72 days:
21.0%, 19.6%, 11.1%, 12.5%, 14.9%
-- Month of April 2020 --
15.8%, 13.7%, 10.8%, 10.2%, 9.6%, 3.9%, 9.2%, 5.0%, 8.2%, 7.3%, 7.0%, 4.8%, 3.8%, 5.0%, 5.8%,
4.0%, 6.0%, 6.1%, 4.5%, 3.5%, 3.6%, 3.1%, 3.0%, 2.6%, 2.6%, 3.6%, 3.0%, 4.3%, 3.5%, 5.3%
-- Month of May 2020 --
5.3%, 4.9%, 6.0%, 5.7%, 5.9%, 5.3%, 5.2%, 4.9%, 4.7%, 4.5%, 4.3%, 3.9%, 3.8%, 3.6%, 2.9%, 3.0%,
2.8%, 3.0%, 2.9%, 2.4%, 2.3%, 2.5%, 2.0%, 2.1%, 1.9%, 2.1%, 2.1%, 2.2%, 2.1%, 2.2%, 2.3%
-- Month of June 2020 --
2.2%, 2.5%, 2.2%, 2.6%, 2.7% and now 2.5%

Increases (by count) over the last 72 days:
+64, +72, +49, +61, +82
-- Month of April 2020 --
+100, +100, +90, +94, +97. +43, +106, +63, +108, +105, +107, +79, +65, +89, +109,
+80, +124, +134, +104, +84, +90, +81, +80, +71, +75, +105, +91, +135, +112, +179
-- Month of May 2020 --
+187, +181, +234, +237, +253, +246, +251, +249, +250, +251, +253, +236, +243, +235, +199, +214,
+205, +224, +225, +186, +183, +204, +172, +178, +171, +190, +197, +202, +200, +219, +228
-- Month of June 2020 --
+228, +257, +239, +285, +298 and now +289

As of 11:00 am June 6, 2020, DCHHS is reporting 289 additional positive cases of 2019 novel coronavirus (COVID-19), bringing the total case count in Dallas County to 11,830, including 262 deaths.

The additional 2 deaths being reported today include:

  • A man in his 50’s who was a resident of the City of Farmers Branch. He had been critically ill in an area hospital, and had underlying high risk health conditions.
  • A woman in her 80’s who was a resident of a long-term care facility in the City of Dallas. She expired in the facility, and had underlying high risk health conditions.
Of cases requiring hospitalization who reported employment, over 80% have been critical infrastructure workers, with a broad range of affected occupational sectors, including: healthcare, transportation, food and agriculture, public works, finance, communications, clergy, first responders and other essential functions.

Of cases requiring hospitalization, more than two-thirds have been under 65 years of age, and about half do not have any high-risk chronic health conditions. Diabetes has been an underlying high-risk health condition reported in about a third of all hospitalized patients with COVID-19.

Of the 262 total deaths reported to date, over a third have been associated with long-term care facilities.
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State of Texas complete COVID-19 data breakdown

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https://txdshs.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/ed483ecd702b4298ab01e8b9cafc8b83
https://txdshs.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/0d8bdf9be927459d9cb11b9eaef6101

Data as of 6/6/2020 @4:00 PM:

Total Tests: 1,218,955 (Up +9,768) : 20,232 below the 30,000 Daily Tests that the Governor of Texas Abbott promised. Not Good.

Total Viral Tests: 1,093,277 is only 89.7% of Total Tests. The other 10.3% of tests are the useless Antibody Tests

Cases Reported: 73,553 (Up +1,940) Highest increase of daily cases to date. Not Good.

Fatalities: 1,819 (Up +31)

Texas tests per 1M population are 42,039 (Up +337) which places Texas as the 7th worst State. Down one place from yesterday.

Click this link: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us

and on the page click the Tests / 1M pop column to sort from worst to first

They are using roughly 28.996 million as the population of Texas.

Texas is mixing Viral and Antibody Tests in the total test numbers which is very bad as Antibody Tests are useless in determining if someone has the Coronavirus.

As of today June 6th the real number of Total Viral Tests for Texas is 1,061,576 which works out to be 37,704 per 1M population so Texas is really the 4th worst state in testing
 
WinStar World Casino and Resort Reopening

https://www.winstar.com/reopening

Patrons and employees are required to wear protective coverings over their nose and mouth at all times.
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That turns out to not be true.

After patrons enter many take off their masks and no employee of WinStar enforces them to put it back on. Also WinStar allows smokers to take off their masks. Smokers are the worst to be not wearing masks as they are much more likely to cough.

 
Shifty Geezer said:
The data is inherently spiky though.
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No. Florida reopened or had less restrictions earlier than anyone else. They spiked to highest levels since the beginning of the pandemic. This is what will follow. Florida is a sign of what's to come with all the others. They're the canary in the coal-mine.

Yes, there are typical spikes here and there, but a doubling of cases for 4+ days is not the norm when you have the pandemic under control.

Here's Florida's new cases per day:

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The Oxford Vaccine test is open for volunteers. It doesn't target any particular demographic or occupational section; it's open to anyone in good health over 18

https://www.covid19vaccinetrial.co.uk/

However, the testing strikes me as flawed. They'll be monitoring if their people get the disease. At the moment there are 500 new cases a day in England. That's about 1/10,000th of the population. With ten thousand people getting the vaccine, three months would be something like 90 people actually getting infected, and that's if the case rate doesn't drop.

Brazil has just been signed up for testing. That'll be the more realistic observation site.
 
BRiT said:
No. Florida reopened earlier than anyone else. They spiked to highest levels since the beginning of the pandemic. This is what will follow. Florida is a sign of what's to come with all the others. They're the canary in the coal-mine.

Yes, there are typical spikes here and there, but a doubling of cases for 4+ days is not the norm when you have the pandemic under control.

Here's their cases per day:
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I wouldn't call that a spike unless the following data drops down again. I expect cases to be on the rise. It's better to use something like a 7-day trailing average. I also think it's a mildly important distinction. A 'spike' suggests a temporary change, a blip in the normal trajectory. If people hear 'spike', they'd expect some more cases but that's that. Truth is with more cases, you'll get an increase in infection rate, resulting in more subsequent cases. An increase in gradient is fat worse than a temporary spike, and that's what these gatherings should lead to.
 
AlphaWolf said:
No doubt, but the casino is worse.
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I don't know about that. These protests are in over a dozen cities with people traveling from protest to protest across state lines. Alot of the protesters are from the African American population who have faired worse during this out break. We will have to see which one was truly bad.
 
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