Mandating 60fps would be ridiculous. These consoles aren't much more than twice as powerful as the mid gen refreshes. So mandating double the frame rates in most games will eat up the majority of the generational power leap and we'd get games that look barely better than a base XBO game running at 900p/30, only it'd be running at 4K/60.
Current Generation Hardware Speculation with a Technical Spin [post GDC 2020] [XBSX, PS5]
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Very true, though I kind of fudged my point in that i was mostly talking about giving higher expectation of going 60fps. We will certainly see more games as 60fps this gen but its unfair to act as if it will be across the board.
Are devs who go for 30 for their games gonna get attacked for doing so because the expectation is that 60fps has to be what everything targets or the devs are lazy or only focus on the graphics or what have you? Just an unreasonable expectation to put out there even if your not literally putting a mandate.
Are devs who go for 30 for their games gonna get attacked for doing so because the expectation is that 60fps has to be what everything targets or the devs are lazy or only focus on the graphics or what have you? Just an unreasonable expectation to put out there even if your not literally putting a mandate.
Not likely. 720p isn’t low enough. You’d have to go lower. Like RDR2 is 720p30. It runs 4K30 on X1X. It would be 4K60 on XSX for instance.
Agreed but it should be possible to reduce settings in such a way that the games look broadly the same apart from resolution (and potentially a less stable frame rate). I guess similar to Crysis PC vs Crysis XB360. Although the difference may be even less pronounced.
I'd be amazed if next gen games don't have minimum PC requirements far beyond the capabilities of the XBO. It's running the equivalent of a Radeon R260 and a dual core CPU.... My expectation is a fast 6 core + GTX 1060/RX580 as a minimum.
I think that kinda agrees with my thinking. Most SeriesX games will be 60fps because they will also need to run at a respectable frame rate on XB1. Once developers decide to drop crossgen games then we will start to see 30fps SeriesX games.
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I hope not. 30fps is due for a swift death.
Prepare to be amazed. At least for several years.
Just look at what under $1000 'gaming laptops' were shipping with a few years ago. That's your minimum target for a while.
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One guy patched Bloodborne to run at 60fps on base PS4. Let that sink in. The game could have run at 60fps the whole time on BASE PS4 and we never even got a Pro patch, let alone a fix for the bad frame pacing from From Software.
Morale of the story, we’re all doomed.
Also, 30fps in a conscious decision and I won’t say the L D words but you know what I’m saying.
I think the goal for next gen will be 60fps 4K. Much like PS4 didn't have to be 1080p, but most of it's titles were 1080p. That was the target resolution, a few games dipped below, but most were. I suspect for the most part this is what we'll see. They'll hold the frame rate, but drop the resolution etc.
Many current generation games (RDR2, Doom Eternal etc..) already have minimum requirements well beyond the XBO. To expect developers to be widely and officially supporting lesser specs that than during the next generation is unrealistic.
the animations were designed around 30fps or something right? so moving to 60 didn't help.
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Only for casual games, which there'll be plenty of. But if you've got the budget it's more than easy enough to make an open world game drop below 60fps at 4k, or lower, on a 2080 already. And that's just cranking some settings from games designed for lower end hardware. As soon as you add raytracing into open worlds with dynamic bvhs you're fucked as far as framerate goes. It's be easy as hell to crash bvh updating below 60, and even well below 30 for dynamic raytracing effects.
At the beginning we'll probably see some triple a stuff at 60 because it's a free upgrade. Like last gen a series or two might stay there this time (From Software stuff for example). But I'd still expect more than a few next gen only triple a titles to be at 30, some of them probably from the start.
The game was designed around 30fps, so unlocking 60 made the game run at double speed.
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I think this upcoming gen is going to be worse for framerate-controversies-in-a-teacup. There is obviously a lot more potential for games to reach 60fps (or higher) nextgen, but I can I foresee people complaining 60fps don't look as good as 30fps games and 30fps games not being as fluid as 60fps games. This will be developer's Kobayashi Maru.
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Quite a lot of us are upgrading from the base consoles, so the difference is pretty significant.
Imagine being a guy that's currently got a base Xbox One and goes to Series X - that's a 9.4x increase in flops. We know that efficiencies are going to be significant too, didn't Cerny state that they'd be about 60% faster flop-for-flop? That's going to be a huge difference and a 4x increase in resolution.
A lot of you guy are hardcore PC gamers with significant resolution monitors and top of the range GPUs. The majority of gamers are going to see huge changes. B3Ders not so much.
I'm excited for it. Most of the games shown during the Microsoft presentation looked amazing to me.
I'm going from base PS4 to next-gen and buying my first 4k TV* at the same time. For me, it's a huge leap.
*I have a traditional house with antique furniture, so not the most high tech inviting environment. It'll all be going in my boys' room.
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