Coronavirus Pandemic (COVID-19) (SARS-CoV-2) [2020]

[BRiT]

US failures and increases outside China.

https://arstechnica.com/science/202...ronavirus-is-containable-us-fails-to-contain/

With the dizzying international spread of the novel coronavirus, the World Health Organization Friday announced that the global threat of COVID-19 has increased. The risk of spread and risk of impact has now risen from “high” to “very high” on a global scale, according to the organization’s latest assessments.

Between Thursday and Friday, five additional countries identified their first cases—Belarus, Lithuania, Netherlands, New Zealand, and Nigeria—and large outbreaks in Italy (888 cases) and Iran (388 cases) continue to export cases. So far, at least 24 cases in 14 countries link back to Italy and at least 97 cases in 11 countries link back to Iran, WHO reported Friday.

Worldwide, there are more than 85,400 cases and 2,924 deaths, with 53 countries reporting cases in addition to China, as of Saturday morning. While China still has over 90 percent of those cases, the daily case counts outside of China are now exceeding those within.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

While China still has over 90 percent of those cases, the daily case counts outside of China are now exceeding those within.

That's actually smoewhat good news, as the infection rate per infected in China is reducing, and we're not seeing exponential growth there.



It shows spread can be limited instead of explosively swallowing a population. Now in some countries like African ones and India, it may not be controllable this way, but for NA and Europe, they ought to be able to manage it better and controlled migration from heavily infected countries should limit spread. It might be a long-drawn out fight, but the world needn't be overcome with cases if it can actually get its act together.

 

[HBRU]

Italy has a silly government... they did not put people coming from China in quarantine... and this is the result. Northern regions are trying hard to remedy the stupid behaviour of the government in Rome.

 

[iroboto]

That's actually smoewhat good news, as the infection rate per infected in China is reducing, and we're not seeing exponential growth there.

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It shows spread can be limited instead of explosively swallowing a population. Now in some countries like African ones and India, it may not be controllable this way, but for NA and Europe, they ought to be able to manage it better and controlled migration from heavily infected countries should limit spread. It might be a long-drawn out fight, but the world needn't be overcome with cases if it can actually get its act together.

I’m not too confident of our ability to deal with this.
H1N1: 2009
The virus had spread to the US from an outbreak in Mexico. As of mid-March 2010, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimated that about 59 million Americans contracted the H1N1 virus, 265,000 were hospitalized as a result, and 12,000 died.

 

[Bludd]

So Mike Pence. When he was governor in Indiana he botched the response to a serious HIV outbreak.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/02/pence-moved-slowly-in-combating-hiv-outbreak/

 

[Shifty Geezer]

I’m not too confident of our ability to deal with this.
H1N1: 2009
The virus had spread to the US from an outbreak in Mexico. As of mid-March 2010, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimated that about 59 million Americans contracted the H1N1 virus, 265,000 were hospitalized as a result, and 12,000 died.

Well, as I said, they ought to be able to handle it. Governments are pretty good at botching things. The stereotype of the US would even have officials deliberately botch it so the virus could get hold and people be sold expensive medical treatment...

That said, as your numbers show, H1N1 has a lower mortality than SARS-CoV-2 with perhaps 'acceptable losses' versus cost to maintain H1N1 as far as the powers that be are concerned with their number-crunching. 59 million Covid19 infected would project to maybe 1-2 million deaths which may be considered bad enough for election prospects for them to give a damn.

 

[iroboto]

Well, as I said, they ought to be able to handle it. Governments are pretty good at botching things. The stereotype of the US would even have officials deliberately botch it so the virus could get hold and people be sold expensive medical treatment...

That said, as your numbers show, H1N1 has a lower mortality than SARS-CoV-2 with perhaps 'acceptable losses' versus cost to maintain H1N1 as far as the powers that be are concerned with their number-crunching. 59 million Covid19 infected would project to maybe 1-2 million deaths which may be considered bad enough for election prospects for them to give a damn.

I hope so. Honestly not sure what to expect. But, yea unfortunately the economy and fear has definitely taken hold. This Chinese restaurant only has 4 tables filled out of nearly 35 as I write this.

 

[BRiT]

Well, duh, their food is imported from China.

/s

 

[Shifty Geezer]

I hope so. Honestly not sure what to expect. But, yea unfortunately the economy and fear has definitely taken hold. This Chinese restaurant only has 4 tables filled out of nearly 35 as I write this.

Seriously? The mindset there is as primitive as China == disease; Restaurant == China; therefore Restaurant == disease?

If that's the kind of thinking on a national level, there are going to be problems. You'll struggle to get cooperation, and internet bollocks-merchants will use misinformation to screw all genuine understanding up.

 

[Sxotty]

Perhaps all restaurants are suffering where he is. If it spreads they certainly will, but yes people are irrational.

 

[BRiT]

Conspiracy - The Pope is sick with Coronavirus ...

Pope Francis has canceled official engagements for the third day in a row as he battles an apparent cold.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/pope-cancels-audiences-day-apparent-cold-69302655

VATICAN CITY -- Pope Francis canceled official engagements for the third day in a row Saturday as he battled an apparent cold.

The 83-year-old pope, who lost part of a lung to a respiratory illness as a young man, has never canceled so many official audiences or events in his seven-year papacy.

Francis is, however, continuing to work from his residence at the Vatican's Santa Marta hotel and is receiving people in private, the Vatican press office said. On Saturday, those private meetings were with the head of the Vatican's bishops' office, Francis' ambassadors to Lebanon and France and a Ukrainian archbishop.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

12 new cases in UK. 8 are from abroad, 3 from close association with a known case, but there's one with no apparent connection. That makes two in the UK, 150 miles apart, from who-knows-where.

 

[Kaotik]

2 new cases in Finland, that's 4 total for finnish citizen in couple days (+ earlier 1 chinese which hasn't been in contact with these new ones) I think.
One of the new cases is special because it's a school-aged child, and apparently childs have rarely contracted the virus (at least with symptoms like in this case)

 

[Karamazov]

 

[HBRU]

There is no way to stop it... really a lot contagious... specially here in Italy.

I take BHT, vit C, IP6 just to be ready... Don't take but maybe I will: Astragalus or Echinachea.

Here in Italy we have a different strain... it seems the virus was around since November HERE but maybe with low capacity of damaging then it mutate.

Children's and people young aged take the virus usually in a very mild way. People aged more than 60 should are more at risk.

 

[Cyan]

NASA has published images of the are where the coronavirus started to expand and the pollution there descended in a dramatic way.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1234029763800567808

Also, a 98 years old woman has managed to survive the virus with treatment. She had high fever -40º- back in early February and was hospitalized in grave condition. This gives hope for people who receives the correct treatment.

 

[Karamazov]

the real problem here is not the mortality rate, but the economical collapse it has already started.

 

[iroboto]

Seriously? The mindset there is as primitive as China == disease; Restaurant == China; therefore Restaurant == disease?

If that's the kind of thinking on a national level, there are going to be problems. You'll struggle to get cooperation, and internet bollocks-merchants will use misinformation to screw all genuine understanding up.

Sadly. It’s Chinese people not going to Chinese restaurants. The clientele for most Chinese restaurants like this are Chinese people.

 

[dobwal]

Well, as I said, they ought to be able to handle it. Governments are pretty good at botching things. The stereotype of the US would even have officials deliberately botch it so the virus could get hold and people be sold expensive medical treatment...

That said, as your numbers show, H1N1 has a lower mortality than SARS-CoV-2 with perhaps 'acceptable losses' versus cost to maintain H1N1 as far as the powers that be are concerned with their number-crunching. 59 million Covid19 infected would project to maybe 1-2 million deaths which may be considered bad enough for election prospects for them to give a damn.

No. CFR is a ratio of confirmed deaths over the confirmed diagnosed. That 60 million estimate includes the non-diagnosed.

It would be difficult to determine the IFR of Covid-19. Its practically difficult to estimate undiagnosed infections of the flu. That 60 million is basically an average of estimates of different studies that ranges from a low of below 50 million to high of over 80 million.

On top of that the CFR of flu and the CFR of Covid-19 aren’t directly comparable. Flu testing is widely available while Covid-19 testing is limited to mostly gov’t agency. The number of tests are limited which is why current testing is so targeted. It’s far harder to capture CV cases which can lead to an elevated CFR.

 

[zed]

So Mike Pence. When he was governor in Indiana he botched the response to a serious HIV outbreak.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/02/pence-moved-slowly-in-combating-hiv-outbreak/

Well its it good hands, just dont shake his hand

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1233077802553028609

One thing Im curious about are all those countries, india,vietnam,cambodia etc that had a handful of cases early on, which are now cured and since then nothing. Sort of seems to good to be true