Next Generation Hardware Speculation with a Technical Spin [post E3 2019, pre GDC 2020] [XBSX, PS5]

[iroboto]

That doesn't stop them from expiring. A3D is a bit older than one might think, it was originally created by NASA spinoff Crystal River and rebranded to A3D by Aureal when they aquired Crystal River

Fair enough.
Then the tech is probably no longer relevant anymore.

 

[Deleted member 13524]

That doesn't stop them from expiring. A3D is a bit older than one might think, it was originally created by NASA spinoff Crystal River and rebranded to A3D by Aureal when they aquired Crystal River

Can't they just renew the license forever, Disney-style?

 

[Jay]

I really am expecting proper object based RT spacial audio next gen.
From both Sony and MS.

Trying to remember if I got around to upgrading the DAC on the ultrasound or not. As has been said, we have basically not just stood still but taken a step backwards.

 

[tunafish]

Can't they just renew the license forever, Disney-style?

The rules on patents and copyrights are very different. They can research new stuff and patent that, but the old stuff will be legal to clone as soon as the original patents run out, at 20 years after original filing.

 

[disco_]

The rules on patents and copyrights are very different. They can research new stuff and patent that, but the old stuff will be legal to clone as soon as the original patents run out, at 20 years after original filing.

Is that only applicable to "really old" tech? The few software/hardware patents I was involved with in the mid 2000s, as long as we reapplied/renewed them before they expired, they would remain for the next however many years.

 

[arhra]

Is that only applicable to "really old" tech? The few software/hardware patents I was involved with in the mid 2000s, as long as we reapplied/renewed them before they expired, they would remain for the next however many years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Term_of_patent

20 years from date of filing is the international standard.

Any maintenance fees/renewals are to maintain the patent during that 20 year term.

 

[dobwal]

So even though yes the issue you highlighted is mentioned, I feel that given in games you scale the graphics on pc, or throw hardware at it that it having inpact on graphics in an area due to dynamic nature of audio, it would be lower issue/more manageable as pc gamers need to manage that anyway.

But that could be my biases.
Too many things in article that I could use to highlight both of views to be honest.

https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog/2016/08/17/amd-trueaudio-next-is-bringing-realistic

I guess we are both right. LOL

Even though I doubt how fundamental CU reservation is to TrueAudio Next. AMD only offers CU reservation to select devs.

 

[SlmDnk]

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...mes-on-next-gen-we-are-fully-into-ray-tracing

There's still much we don't know about the next generation of console hardware and while the prospect of Zen 2 CPU cores, solid state storage, ray tracing and 2x the graphics power of Xbox One X sounds awesome, 4A reckons there's more to come.

"I am more excited for not yet publicly revealed things," Oles Shishkovstov says, enigmatically.

 

[PSman1700]

2x the graphics power of the One X Anyone tested how a 5700XT runts Metro Exodus at 4k max settings?

 

[JoeJ]

(Intel and AMD hardware supporting the DXR API used by 4A is in development)

interesting quote from the A4 article.

 

[PSman1700]

interesting quote from the A4 article.

Interesting, Intel has a history of ray tracing don't they?

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Interesting, Intel has a history of ray tracing don't they?

Like, every modelling and rendering package since 1990 running on Intel CPUs?

 

[Kaotik]

interesting quote from the A4 article.

Not sure how it's that interesting, both companies have confirmed ages ago that they're bringing RT hardware, and obviously if you bring RT hardware to PC space you need to support DXR

 

[BRiT]

Maybe the fact that the hardware exists and is in the hands of 4A Gaming? I know we all supposed the hardware would show up sometime. That time seems to be now, at least for these developers.

EDIT: Or does that statement not imply that 4A Games has the hardware in their possession? And just that AMD and Intel are working on it?

 

[JoeJ]

Not sure how it's that interesting, both companies have confirmed ages ago that they're bringing RT hardware, and obviously if you bring RT hardware to PC space you need to support DXR

Intel was not clear about it. There were some words about upcoming RT GPU support, but could be they mean their existing frameworks like Embree and offline / HPC application.
There is no official confirmation they will support RT / DXR on their upcoming discrete consumer GPUs, AFAIK.

 

[DavidGraham]

interesting quote from the A4 article.

EDIT: Or does that statement not imply that 4A Games has the hardware in their possession? And just that AMD and Intel are working on it?

The statement in brackets is from DF not the 4A developer.

 

[anexanhume]

It appears that Navi 10 is already N7P. No efficiency gains for consoles to be had without a different node. (This is directly sourced from an AMD presentation at ISSCC 2020.)

https://fuse.wikichip.org/news/3331/radeon-rx-5700-navi-and-the-rdna-architecture/

Credit to Locuza at RA.

 

[MrFox]

It appears that Navi 10 is already N7P. No efficiency gains for consoles to be had without a different node. (This is directly sourced from an AMD presentation at ISSCC 2020.

https://fuse.wikichip.org/news/3331/radeon-rx-5700-navi-and-the-rdna-architecture/

Credit to Locuza at RA.

The bus routing and clock distribution parts are pretty cool, it shows how difficult it would be to "just add more CUs" to an existing design.

 

[anexanhume]

The bus routing and clock distribution parts are pretty cool, it shows how difficult it would be to "just add more CUs" to an existing design.

Yes. People would like to think of them as lego blocks, seamlessly snapping together, when they're rather more like a Jenga tower.

 

[BRiT]

Yes. People would like to think of them as lego blocks, seamlessly snapping together, when they're rather more like a Jenga tower.

That's why you build it out like a huge ranch and not a skyscraper. ;-)