"Yes, but how many polygons?" An artist blog entry with interesting numbers

[marc_the_3d_man]

I'd personally love to see the character wireframe for Virtua Fighter 3 (or 3tb).

 

[xaeroxcore]

Seven mansions - Koei - dreamcast - 2000
The characters and enemies are rather high poly for the time.The stages are very low poly though.

Kei unarmed - 3,039 triangles
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Reina unarmed - 3085 triangles
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Pleaseeeee! More DC numbers (may be Headhunter, the Gundam games, Project Justice)! Don´t know if you already know this thread https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/could-dreamcast-et-al-handle-this-that-fighter-spawn.56017/page-3 very interesenting poly counts for DC!

 

[Cloofoofoo]

Ok another round of dc games.

Derby Tsuko 2- Smilebit - Dreamcast- 2001

racing horse + jockey - 2,982 triangles


Magic the gathering - Alfa systems - Dreamcast - 2001

Black civilization boss - 4,020 triangles


Red civilization boss - 3,651


White civilization boss - 4,354 triangles


Final boss?? - 4,235 triangles

player village/Magicheart - 6,114 triangles

 

[Cloofoofoo]

Another round, this time dedicated to blue stinger. all the models I post in this topic (including past ones) are from game files and not emulators.

Blue stinger - Dreamcast - 1999

Elliot Ballade - 2,564 triangles

Elliot swimsuit - 2,662 triangles

Mutant Elliot - 3,048 triangles

Dogs Bower - 2,538 triangles

Santa Dogs - 2,936 triangles

Janine King - 2,831 triangles

Janine swimsuit - 2,905 triangles

Nephilim - 2,886 triangles

Final boss - 5,488 tris

Crab Jeep boss - 4,121 tris

1st cutscene enemy - 3,650 tris

Regular enemy - 3,009 tris

Final level - 5,947 tris

room - 4,510 tris

Hallway - 4,930 tris

 

[EsppiraK]

Those characters are so badly modeled that in game they look lower poly than they are

 

[Nesh]

In general everything was bad in the game. I think the developers were still used making games for the Saturn and had their old approach of modeling. This was a launch game if I recall. Very likely it was one of the very first Dreamcast projects and I wouldnt have been surprised if it started on the Saturn and the devs were hasty to translate them as fast as possible on the DC

 

[Sigfried1977]

Visually I thought it compared rather well to other DC game from that particular time frame. The crab creatures in particular looked pretty cool. I liked the game back then, but it has certainly aged horribly. What also didn't help was the fact that it came out a month ahead of the US version of Silent Hill, and once I got over the look-at-all-those-polygons-and-reasonably-high-res-textures phase, Silent Hill took Blue Stinger's launch money and never looked back.

Remember this?

 

[Cloofoofoo]

Back again this time for everyones favorite games Death Crimson OX. The textures are messed up but the models are intact. The models are surprisingly high.Some stuff were still left on the disc like combat echizens model from Death Crimson 2.

Death Crimson OX - Dreamcast - 2001

Lily/Yuris mother - 2,859 tris

Kou - 6,627 tris

Yuri - 6,099 tris

Dr.greg - 2,172 tris

Admiral ZaZa - 2,959 tris

Patrick- 5,403 tris

Mad subliminer boss - 8,826 tris

Final boss - 5,709 tris

Combat Echizen - 7,485 tris

Subliminer - 1042 tris

Knife enemy - 1397 tris

civilian - 1,450 tris

Cavesection - 5,758 tris

factory section - 7,258 tris

Townsquare - 6,001 tris

 

[milk]

wow, those early dreamcast games really knew how to put large poly quantities to waste on bland models huh.

 

[Sigfried1977]

In general everything was bad in the game. I think the developers were still used making games for the Saturn and had their old approach of modeling. This was a launch game if I recall. Very likely it was one of the very first Dreamcast projects and I wouldnt have been surprised if it started on the Saturn and the devs were hasty to translate them as fast as possible on the DC

Not a launch game. At least not in Japan.
DC launch was Virtua Fighter 3TB, Godzilla and some fun racer (Whacky Racers?).
Blue Stinger came 4 months later. Around the same time as House of the Dead 2.

 

[Nesh]

wow, those early dreamcast games really knew how to put large poly quantities to waste on bland models huh.

textures are misplaced so it makes them look far worse than they really are

 

[EsppiraK]

I can't believe those models are 7k on average, what a waste.

 

[Cloofoofoo]

Now an easy one. Card Captor Sakura for the dreamcast. Nice high poly models with very well texture but low poly backgrounds. Should have made a fighting game or maybe even a rock, paper , scissors rpg imo.

Cardcaptor Sakura: Tomoyo no Video Daisakusen - Sega Rosso - Dreamcast - 2000

Sakura costume 1 - 6,591 tris

Sakura costume 2 - 5,369 tris

Sakura costume 3 - 5,996 tris

Sakura costume Special Stage - 5,058 tris

Sakura bio entry costume(buggy) - 5,402 TRIS

Li- 6,556 tris

Tomoyo costume 1 - 4,151 tris

Tomoyo costume 2 - 3.448 tris

Yukito - 3,403 tris

Cerberus - 1,162 tris

Fly card - 1,926 tris

Waterycard - 2,836 tris

Thunder - 2,966 tris

windy - 4,826 tris

Small chunk of stage 1 - 4,074 tris

Medium room in Stage 2 - 2,942 tris

Half of stage 3 - 8,078 tris

Special stage inside - 5,751 tris

Special Stage outside - 9,188 tris

 

[Nesh]

Images arent visible to me

 

[Panino Manino]

So many polygons for that?
Those CCS models are ugly.

 

[Cloofoofoo]

Images arent visible to me

Tried on 3 different devices , its all working ok. And it seems others can see it. Must be on your end.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Images weren't visible for me when Nesh posted, but now they are.

 

[Nesh]

yep now they work

 

[inlimbo]

Does anyone have a count on MGS3's Naked Snake cutscene model? I'm thinking it's somewhere between 6k - 8k versus the 4k of the in-game model.

 

[Cloofoofoo]

Next in the robotic animal pulling sleds racing game on the dreamcast , zusar vasar. This one is interesting, it uses hi,mid,low lod models. The high models are only used on two occasions, when the player is on the selection menu and when the player is watching their replays. During the replays the players animals and sled are at the highest lod no matter the distance. During gameplay the players mechs are always on medium while the cpu racers switch to medium when close the player are otherwise on low. Didnt bother posting pics of the tracks because they comeout jumbled, they seem to range from 10,000 to 20,000 triangles.

Zusar Vasar - Dreamcast - 2000 - Real Vision

Elephant Robot high - 7,536 triangles



Elephant robot Medium - 2,930 triangles


Elephant low - 1,254 triangles


Deers high - 6,716 triangles


Deers mid - 1,774 triangles


Deer low - 1,042 triangles


Air sled - 2,013 triangles


Air sled mid - 936 triangles


air sled low - 607 triangles