Scalable Cloud Servers: New 64bit ARM vs 64bit Atom

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Which 64bit archetecture is better for scalable cloud servers? Intel is already etching another mobile Atom chip to compete with the new arm-based 64bit chips coming out next year.

Which one would be better for cloud servers?
 
For the kind of http-pushing boxes that are called cloud servers, architecture matters very little. As far as ISA goes, ARM has no advantage over x86 and x86 has no advantage over ARM.

What matters is cost, system topology, IO, memory latency/throughput, and being low power. The code they will be running is all branches and pointer chasing, and they will spend most of the time waiting for IO.

ARM has the advantage of very low-cost power-sipping systems, but the disadvantage of generally anemic memory subsystems. Also, since everyone can design their own systems, they can ship things like chips that have 4 separate quad-core systems, each with a memory channel, ethernet, and sharing the rest of the system architecture.

x86 advantages are better manufacturing process (for Intel chips), better memory subsystem, with the disadvantage that Intel can't make them too good or it will cannibalize other, higher-margin segments.

I understand that "cloud server" is a growing market, however I question why people think it's so interesting. The whole market is driven by TCO, they don't want high performance. If a core can run a typical PHP script in 100ms, it's good enough, and beyond that only throughput/$ matters. Since everything is "good enough" by a margin of 10x or more, really the only way to compete is cost. Intel will release chips to compete in the market, but if they price them low enough to be actually competitive, it will cost them more money than they can earn by cannibalizing sales in segments where x86 can command a premium. So, what will happen is that all the different ARM vendors, and possibly AMD, will release chips to sell that will take all the market share, but since the only way to compete is price, and there are so many vendors, none of them will make any money.
 
The cloud puts others in control (their bankruptcy, choice, etc) in charge of YOUR PURCHASED information. I WANT hardcopy. Screw the children who think we live in fairy land! HOW the HELL did this come to pass, other than GREED? That's the problem with "capitalism". It's often VICTIMIzATION.
 
The cloud is better for publishers. It shuts down piracy and you can better track sales and demographics.Advertising is dirt cheap and can have FAR range.

If the publisher wants to sell to 50-100 million possible clients(Mexico,USA,Canada). They can.
 
Cloud here is referring to virtualized server setups AFAIK. Before the metaphysical marketing term became popular it was usually called VPS.

Or maybe I'm off the mark.
 
Cloud here is referring to virtualized server setups AFAIK. Before the metaphysical marketing term became popular it was usually called VPS.

Or maybe I'm off the mark.

I was questioning the words used here, too. We use this cheap vps at my startup for web hosting services, but as far as I know, virtual servers / vps hosting are not the same as cloud servers? Or am I wrong? I like the cloud metaphor, but I don't think it's very helpful for people who are just learning about technology. It seems to get tossed around an awful lot.
 
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