I'll give you that one...
Trust me. I do follow these kind of things & it wasn't just them...
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/...one-headsets-arent-included-with-base-system/
Tommy McClain
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I'll give you that one...
Trust me. I do follow these kind of things & it wasn't just them...
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/...one-headsets-arent-included-with-base-system/
Tommy McClain
I they'll analyze the return on each decision separately from each other. The inclusion of the chat headset surely is to ensure that XBL remains the platform of choice for online gaming this generation (by ensuring a consistent, high quality, and flexible experience for everyone).
The RAM has a separate set of benefits that have to be evaluated against its cost. Whether its IQ, performance, talking points, it will be a different benefit and has to 'pay for itself.'
If they both "pay for themselves" then they wont have to be mutually exclusive.
Ahh, OK. Still makes me wonder if I'll be able to use my Logitech Harmony Xbox 360 remote with it. Still haven't heard any confirmation about IR remote control support.
Tommy McClain
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Ahh, yes you will be able to use universal remotes. They will provide the IR codes. What I'm not 100% sure is if the receiver is on the Xbox One or the Kinect. I'm going to assume they put the receiver in the Kinect since that would be in the best location.
Not sure if the headset equates to 2 - 3 dollars or not.
But given the scales of manufacturing, it wouldn't surprise me if the cost between 4GB and headset is a lot closer than that. Fully except I could be talking total crap here though
It does give certain people less to complain about though, but it is an additional cost that MS has to absorb, and they all add up.
I'm not dismissing the positives though, i.e. possible extra sales, perception, etc.
Not sure if the headset equates to 2 - 3 dollars or not.
But given the scales of manufacturing, it wouldn't surprise me if the cost between 4GB and headset is a lot closer than that. Fully except I could be talking total crap here though
It does give certain people less to complain about though, but it is an additional cost that MS has to absorb, and they all add up.
I'm not dismissing the positives though, i.e. possible extra sales, perception, etc.
The Xbox 360 headset was probably 2-3 dollars. This one looks slightly better, especially the controller connecting part. Infinitely better than the cord attachment mute controls.
It all started with Sony doing a 180 and not including the PSEye.
Anyways, its good to see the little touches and common sense in the packaging. I'm sure that's why they also made it perfectly clear its a 4K capable HDMI cable, to avoid any possible "it's just a cheap cable, prob not even 4K" forum bantering.
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Charging for multiplayer is warranted if your console manufacturer is providing a solid server backend to support gaming - running costs have to come from somewhere. I present exhibit A (Xbox Live Gold) and exhibit B (PSN on PS3). I rest my case.
If Microsoft are hosting and sharing the videos, that's fair enough, but if they are paywalling using the MPEG4 encoding features of their GPU you paid for as part of the hardware, and uploading encoded video to YouTube/uStream/Vimeo then I struggle to see the value they are adding, nor what costs I, as a user, would be subsidising. I have no reservations paying people for value services they provide.
Fair enough, looks like a decent (enough) headset which is nice.
But I was coming from the view of, that every one produced prior would have made a profit, now they don't, and there will be less sales also. Therefore cost of bundling is higher (if that makes sense)
How much is 4GB? Not talking pc retail modules, where it has pcb, production costs etc.
The chips themselves probably doesn't cost that much in volume surely?
Is my reasoning very far of on all this?
But I was coming from the view of, that every one produced prior would have made a profit, now they don't, and there will be less sales also. Therefore cost of bundling is higher (if that makes sense)
How much is 4GB? Not talking pc retail modules, where it has pcb, production costs etc.
The chips themselves probably doesn't cost that much in volume surely?
Is my reasoning very far of on all this?
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My [poor] recollection was Sony said the Eye would be included with the PS4 at their February event however I couldn't locate any sound bite where they said this during their eons long presentation. Did they ever say this was the case?
hesido
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@Dsoup: The "main" reason you couldn't locate the soundbite is because it was never there Sony never said they'd bundle it, but they mentioned how the the controller was developed in tandem with the PS Eye, and it was never confirmed and then retracted: Here's me babbling about it in another forum:
http://www.ps4blog.net/topic/ps4-may-not-come-with-ps4-eye-by-default/
With link to an interview to Sony UK exec.
Edit: Here's the quote of the Sony UK exec, during March:
Sony never said they'd bundle it, but they mentioned how the the controller was developed in tandem with the PS Eye, and it was never confirmed and then retracted: Here's me babbling about it in another forum:http://www.ps4blog.net/topic/ps4-may-not-come-with-ps4-eye-by-default/
With link to an interview to Sony UK exec.
Edit: Here's the quote of the Sony UK exec, during March:
xbox one videos get saved to cloud/live account as it is called. So yes they are providing server space for gold members for all of their console needs.
In fact originally before the whiners got them to back off disk dmr, your disc games would have been also saved to cloud on your account to be downloaded and played anywhere, (which is still true for DD games)
Johnny Awesome
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It's silly to care about "180s" IMO.
I was at 85% chance of 8GB, but after this I'm down to 50/50.
For the cost of about $10 MS would have plenty of memory for a 7/5 initial split, maybe moving to 8/4 later. This would give them 40% more ram for games than Sony and 67% more for the OS.
They could use that to justify the $499 price tag as most people have no idea about the difference between GDDR and DDR memory.
Sony can't afford to follow. The GDDR equivalent cost would be enormous by comparison.
If I were making the decision at MS, I'd do it.
I was at 85% chance of 8GB, but after this I'm down to 50/50.
For the cost of about $10 MS would have plenty of memory for a 7/5 initial split, maybe moving to 8/4 later. This would give them 40% more ram for games than Sony and 67% more for the OS.
They could use that to justify the $499 price tag as most people have no idea about the difference between GDDR and DDR memory.
Sony can't afford to follow. The GDDR equivalent cost would be enormous by comparison.
If I were making the decision at MS, I'd do it.
http://www.maximumpc.com/microsoft_..._unlimited_cloud_storage_xbox_one_console2013
I doubt MS is going to allow video, sounds more like data associated with your XBL account.
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Thanks for clarifying. I'm guessing Live allows sharing videos with folks who don't have an Xbox?
Why do you doubt? Any solid insider view or just a gut feel?
I'm sceptical of video game DVR storage too, but then again they allowed some of that on the Halo series, but that might have just been Bungie's call. Though I sort of expect them to want to have more content and control around content then just offloading that to YouTube... Why give free content to Google to make ad impressions money when MS would prefer to make that ad revenue themselves?
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Policy 180s are more of interest to the board, shareholders and the industry itself; it signifies a lack of reading/understanding of the market or a lack of conviction about the strategy of a product. You expect an adjustment of policies, or tweaking or clarifying, but full policy reversals are rare. They're not all bad of course, supporting indie self publishing can only be a good thing.
There are known ways to accomplish 12GB DDR3 with known extant or upcoming chip densities (some are a bit iffy).
The 8GB capacity was considered dubious early on because the new density hadn't been announced. Going further for GDDR5 would be introducing a newer new density.
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