Sony's NeoGeo Pocket's (PSP2/Vita) business/non technical ramifications talk
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Probably the PSP is doing much better in italy. When I went to Milano this summer I saw many people playing PSP's in trains and at the metro. It was more common than I expected
Pretty curious if AR will take off with the next gen portables. Certainly seems to have some big advantages in handhelds being portable. This is pretty amusing:
http://tinycartridge.com/post/3988659519/three-story-tall-mii-created-with-a-giant-ar-card
and it makes me want to see the Dinosaur version that was demoed on NGP.
http://tinycartridge.com/post/3988659519/three-story-tall-mii-created-with-a-giant-ar-card
and it makes me want to see the Dinosaur version that was demoed on NGP.
It's pretty much just what you would expect, but there's a video of it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJk6mQPR9_Q
When PSP was revealed, I was suggesting this sort of thing in a museum, with a local WiFi network streaming content to a PSP and all-around viewing AR. Only took the world some 5 years to catch up with me. 
i think its important to note when discusing the 3ds , ngp , psp and ds is that the original ds certianly targeted a niche crowd , it was the tween and younger crowd when it first released. it didn't expand out until the ds lite came out . brain age came out with the ds lite .
the 3ds seems to target the core gamer right now but in 2013 a quick redisgn and price drop along with longer battery life and it can target a diffrent crowd.
the ngp seems to be targeting the core crowd also. i just wonder the price of it and its release date world wide. a spring release in na /europe could put it right in the middle of a 3ds price drop.
it will be interesting to see what the average consumer chooses a ngp /3ds / tablet or some combination of them
the 3ds seems to target the core gamer right now but in 2013 a quick redisgn and price drop along with longer battery life and it can target a diffrent crowd.
the ngp seems to be targeting the core crowd also. i just wonder the price of it and its release date world wide. a spring release in na /europe could put it right in the middle of a 3ds price drop.
it will be interesting to see what the average consumer chooses a ngp /3ds / tablet or some combination of them
So the PSP Go has officially halted production, marking it as a failure as a product pretty much officially, as if that were necessary. Various obvious reasons for why it failed, but I think it should definitely not be overlooked that it was also an important testcase for them anyway to help the NGP succeed in the future.
For instance, this test helped decide whether or not the NGP would be pure DD or whether a UMD replacement should be provided, and the obvious result is in the shape of the 2 or 4GB flash cards that the NGP software can be distributed on. Another lesson learnt is the requirement of any game published on NGP on flash to also always be available as DD.
In that sense, the PSPgo's utter failure was good news for Sony: here were two major questions about what to do with NGP answered without any discussion necessary or possible, which was also important for communicating this message to publishers.
For instance, this test helped decide whether or not the NGP would be pure DD or whether a UMD replacement should be provided, and the obvious result is in the shape of the 2 or 4GB flash cards that the NGP software can be distributed on. Another lesson learnt is the requirement of any game published on NGP on flash to also always be available as DD.
In that sense, the PSPgo's utter failure was good news for Sony: here were two major questions about what to do with NGP answered without any discussion necessary or possible, which was also important for communicating this message to publishers.
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I think they already knew both of those lessons. As they've said themselves, there are too many markets where DD only is just simply not an option. DD titles being released day-and-date with retail is also a given and probably something they would have done for the Go if the situation allowed.
What they probably wanted to know, however, was just how much interest there was in a DD only dedicated gaming handled. Unfortunately, they still don't know that because the PSPGo was hobbled by other factors that made it unappealing from that perspective (not being able to download and play at the same time being a major one).
I agree in that it was definitely an experiment (and seemed to be priced as such). I wonder if one of the goals was judging retail reaction as well.
So you're claiming SONY needed to spends tens of millions of dollars to develop PSPGo in order to find out if DD would work better than carts?
I think the REAL answer is that DD works just fine if you have the right pieces in place....just look at Apple's App and iTunes store....no carts needed there. It's fairly obvious SONY didn't have all the right pieces in place.
So you're claiming SONY needed to spends tens of millions of dollars to develop PSPGo in order to find out if DD would work better than carts?
Yes, and that cost may well be worth it in order to prevent a mistake in this regard. If NGP fails at product launch, that's going to be a heck of a lot costlier than the NGP, whereas the NGP's design has helped inform both the XPeria Play and the NGP (which tellingly uses a larger rather than a smaller screen, keeps the controls to the side rather than below, etc.)
Yeah, I think you're just not paying attention. The PSN Store is not currently comparable to the App Store. It's not just if DD works, but it is about whether or not DD works for what the PSPgo and the NGP targets. Same for the 3DS. Not everyone is ready to stop buying games from a brick and mortar store. 4GB games are going to be more common on NGP than on the App Store, you can be pretty sure.
It's a quick overview of the launch games. I was hoping they go into more details about the console itself. ^_^
The early PS Vita look mostly raise 2 concerns:
(1) Price is unknown
(2) Whether core games are enough to fight phones and tablets
Hopefully Sony talks more about their strategies in E3. Personally, I'm interested in how Vita complement an ecosystem with PS3, iOS, Android, Smart TV, PC/Mac and clouds.
EDIT:
Ha ha... Shuhei posted his thoughts:
http://www.next-gen.biz/news/yoshida-we-cant-compete-smartphones
The early PS Vita look mostly raise 2 concerns:
(1) Price is unknown
(2) Whether core games are enough to fight phones and tablets
Hopefully Sony talks more about their strategies in E3. Personally, I'm interested in how Vita complement an ecosystem with PS3, iOS, Android, Smart TV, PC/Mac and clouds.
EDIT:
Ha ha... Shuhei posted his thoughts:
http://www.next-gen.biz/news/yoshida-we-cant-compete-smartphones
http://www.next-gen.biz/features/shuhei-yoshida-ngp
It's a good start. I feel that something (else) is missing.
It's a good start. I feel that something (else) is missing.
My friend bought a PSP early on, and has used it faithfully as a portable media player. Well, he's just ordered himself and ASUS EeePad Transformer after seeing a friends, and that'll be his device of choice now. With direct HDMI out it's ideal for portable media both in a small device and for output on a TV. NGP hasn't even go that, and I expect my mate to be very representative. I don't think the added gaming features are going to be worth enough to most of PSP's owners.
I wonder if Cafe will prove a downer on the NGP's success given the fact that they're both effectively in some ways the same console at home but the Cafe sports an interesting direct crossover between the console and handheld @ home experience.
It seems that the only "killer features" for Vita now are the dual sticks and the game library. If these don't appeal to a user, he/she may be attracted to other devices.
EDIT: While we are at it...
http://www.androidguys.com/2011/06/02/20-games-announced-xperia-play-including-10-exclusives/
I wonder how far ahead is the visual between Vita and cellphones/tablets. Need to see in-person to appreciate.
I hope the above list is part of the Playstation Suite game library. ^_^
I believe they still need a PS3 integration hook to appeal more to the existing user base. Better if they can think of some other features/benefits to complement other devices. Perhaps some exclusive PSN goodness ?
It's tempting to introduce a low price point, but hopefully they have more differentiators first.
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