This is a good enough subject that it deserved a new thread although it's clearly off to a very bad start. I tried saving some posts from the BCM2727 thread, see below...
A few facts (afaik) to start the dicussion:
- Nokia said they sold 260K Symbian smartphone sales daily during the summer. Google claims Android is now sustaining 300K activations/day (phone-only, excluding anything without official apps/market access whereas Apple hit a sustained 270K (peak 300K) back in October. AppleInsider has a nice graph summarising all the data fwiw: http://www.appleinsider.com/article..._300000_android_devices_per_day_for_free.html
- This makes Nokia the second largest smartphone vendor behind Apple, and Symbian is the third largest smartphone OS. I personally don't expect either facts to change for quite some time. Also worth pointing out this makes BlackBerry the fourth largest OS.
- Symbian will start using the ST-Ericsson U8500 starting in Q2 2011. This is a huge jump in terms of hardware specs, but it will only be used in the high-end. It has also been hinted that Nokia won't boost Symbian processor specs (much) further - performance beyond this (high!) level will be reserved to MeeGo.
- MeeGo will use the following hardware platforms in 2011 and 1H12: TI OMAP3630/TI OMAP4430/ST-Ericsson U8500. There is also a very real possibility that they use Intel's Medfield for either phones or tablets, but it certainly won't be one of their primary platforms. I know they are using the ST-Ericsson M5730 slim modem for many of the TI designs.
- Nokia's mainstream Symbian platform will be based on a 40nm Broadcom integrated baseband (off-chip RF & PMU) - I don't know the overall specs, I suspect it will have decent 3D but only VGA video though. This directly replaces the 45nm ARM11 integrated platform from TI that is used in nearly all of their recent devices (including the N8 with the extra BCM2727).
The Android numbers are correct (these are only for Google accounts linked to a devices so they exclude all non-Google-approved devices including all tablets) as are the iOS numbers. Symbian is now the third largest smartphone OS - I think that presentation might was probably using 2009 data. But it's not a question of Nokia shrinking as much as Apple and Android becoming much larger, and Nokia is still by far the second largest smartphone vendor and I don't expect that to change for quite some time. I don't think most people realise that and I agree the doom & gloom is unjustified. Once again... not a reason to get so excited people!
WARNINGS
Karoshi: Don't add fuel to the fire.
Ike: The truth is a lot less simple than that and you shouldn't have presented your claim as a fact.
ToTTenTranz: Stop overreacting and flaming everyone and everything - it's a common misconception that Nokia will abandon Symbian in favour of MeeGo for the entire line-up, and it's pretty clear that's all Ike meant. So stop this crap. I might not have the patience to warn you again so... behave.
A few facts (afaik) to start the dicussion:
- Nokia said they sold 260K Symbian smartphone sales daily during the summer. Google claims Android is now sustaining 300K activations/day (phone-only, excluding anything without official apps/market access whereas Apple hit a sustained 270K (peak 300K) back in October. AppleInsider has a nice graph summarising all the data fwiw: http://www.appleinsider.com/article..._300000_android_devices_per_day_for_free.html
- This makes Nokia the second largest smartphone vendor behind Apple, and Symbian is the third largest smartphone OS. I personally don't expect either facts to change for quite some time. Also worth pointing out this makes BlackBerry the fourth largest OS.
- Symbian will start using the ST-Ericsson U8500 starting in Q2 2011. This is a huge jump in terms of hardware specs, but it will only be used in the high-end. It has also been hinted that Nokia won't boost Symbian processor specs (much) further - performance beyond this (high!) level will be reserved to MeeGo.
- MeeGo will use the following hardware platforms in 2011 and 1H12: TI OMAP3630/TI OMAP4430/ST-Ericsson U8500. There is also a very real possibility that they use Intel's Medfield for either phones or tablets, but it certainly won't be one of their primary platforms. I know they are using the ST-Ericsson M5730 slim modem for many of the TI designs.
- Nokia's mainstream Symbian platform will be based on a 40nm Broadcom integrated baseband (off-chip RF & PMU) - I don't know the overall specs, I suspect it will have decent 3D but only VGA video though. This directly replaces the 45nm ARM11 integrated platform from TI that is used in nearly all of their recent devices (including the N8 with the extra BCM2727).
The Android numbers are correct (these are only for Google accounts linked to a devices so they exclude all non-Google-approved devices including all tablets) as are the iOS numbers. Symbian is now the third largest smartphone OS - I think that presentation might was probably using 2009 data. But it's not a question of Nokia shrinking as much as Apple and Android becoming much larger, and Nokia is still by far the second largest smartphone vendor and I don't expect that to change for quite some time. I don't think most people realise that and I agree the doom & gloom is unjustified. Once again... not a reason to get so excited people!
WARNINGS
Karoshi: Don't add fuel to the fire.
Ike: The truth is a lot less simple than that and you shouldn't have presented your claim as a fact.
ToTTenTranz: Stop overreacting and flaming everyone and everything - it's a common misconception that Nokia will abandon Symbian in favour of MeeGo for the entire line-up, and it's pretty clear that's all Ike meant. So stop this crap. I might not have the patience to warn you again so... behave.