Murakami
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Stardust HD with the latest patch.
Killzone 3 and MLAA
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Lucid_Dreamer
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I believe Full Auto 2, NHL 09, Elefunk, Calling all Cars, 1942, etc. are 4xMSAA as well.
Iron Tiger
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And the aliasing along car seams is a great example of why 4xMSAA shouldn't be the universal benchmark for console IQ.
But they may not be MSAA related, but come from low-res shadows and/or HDR side-effects (I think it's the shadows in most cases). Still, MLAA could cover both the shadows and HDR side-effects, being a pure post-prossessing solution.
Well racing games will have a lot of sub pixel edges to deal with I won't count on MLAA much when it comes to racing games.
Surely a way to apply it selectively could be found? I would assume that the problem with racing games is the background, what with all those far away details slowly coming in to view. With MLAA they would look quite messy, but perhaps programmers could just not-apply MLAA to that part of the screen. I don't know!
MLAA doesn't mess up small meshes, but cannot smooth them. You need multisampling at the subpixel level (or going with a new drawing method that doesn't rasterise subpixel triangles which I advocate but no-one seems to be doing yet!). To combine MSAA and MLAA, you're going to have to spend more resources running both AA methods, which is plain too costly, unless MSAA can be very selective and only used on subpixel sized objects..
I dunno, because the Aphrodite sex scene in GOWIII and the environment in which it took place (downloadable from Gametrailers btw, I think) was pretty damn bright and colorful with lots of clean and clear edges/contrasts, and the image quality still held up admirably, nary a jagged edge to be seen.
Oh, here it is (warning: nudity): http://www.gametrailers.com/video/-contains-nudity-god-of-war/62768
For those people arguing that 4xMSAA would be strictly better than a MLAA implementation a la GOWIII, they might want to take a look at this scene, because the anti-aliasing holds up extremely smoothly on all of the bright, contrasty edges. Even straight-up 4xMSAA (no blur filter) would probably falter under these conditions a little bit, I think, in terms of smoothing out edges.
Although the compression and quality on the Gametrailers vid isn't the best, but I've seen the scene in a higher quality Youtube vid and in-game.
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I have seen the E3 demo of GOW 3 and the jaggies are really evident here in the high contrast moments or under the light effects, or even in more different situations...MLAA has sure it's limits but it's a lot better of 2xmsaa. We can discuss about 4xmsaa more 'uniform' effect, but just depending on what you can tolerate more... 4xmsaa & its limits with the high contrast levels, vs MLAA 16xAA edges appeals & its limits of small edges detect or particularly slowely camera motions . To me MLAA is better because it's very cheap and the illusions of 16xAA even not uniforms, it has an extra value...From what I have seen MLAA works greatly even in LBP 2 and KZ 3 too.
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The E3 demo uses 2xMSAA ... ! Only the final retail game uses MLAA.
MLAA is better with high contrast edges than other methods because the algorithm is all about finding edges and smoothing them, and high contrast edges are easier to find! And unlike MSAA, MLAA works on the tonemapped LDR buffer so won't interpolate HDR values outside the final dynamic range.
I know, I have just reported how worsen was IQ in gow 3 with simple 2xmsaa compared to MLAA
All those railing and pointy geometry, there are just plain more subpixels! Nowt can really be done about that.
Billy Idol
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Sorry guys for the noob question:
what do you mean with subpixel? Isn't this terminology kind of contradicting?
what do you mean with subpixel? Isn't this terminology kind of contradicting?
I'd rather have them do QAA again instead of MLAA... just too many railings,fences,wires to cause the issue. Atleast this is one game where the blur would help the look as well.
