I only looked at 1920x1200 and 2650x1600
GTX480 win Far Cry 2
5870 wins Just Cause 2
Crysis and Warhead are a tie.
Dirt 2 is a weird again. The 4890 is beating the 5870...
NVIDIA GF100 & Friends speculation
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I only looked at 1920x1200 and 2650x1600
GTX480 win Far Cry 2
5870 wins Just Cause 2
Crysis and Warhead are a tie.
Dirt 2 is a weird again. The 4890 is beating the 5870...
It's not like GF100 will become slower with less tesselation.
Normal:
Extreme:
I'm sorry, I'll check that later, but it seems as the Normal image you posted is no tesselation at all...
psychoticdream
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yeah dirt2 keeps bugging me is it dx9 or dx11 most think its 11 but now i'm not too sure
This card seems to get really impressive DX11 performance, sort like 5800 vs 9700, when it comes to sheer DX9 performance, 9700 crashed NV30.
http://www.pcpop.com/doc/0/508/508221_67.shtml
http://www.pcpop.com/doc/0/508/508221_68.shtml
http://www.pcpop.com/doc/0/508/508221_67.shtml
http://www.pcpop.com/doc/0/508/508221_68.shtml
One of the first things they showed off at the PAX event was folding@home, not a good sign.
It's great for nerds like me that only play older games and use their GPUs to fold the rest of the time, though
ChronoReverse
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It's great for nerds like me that only play older games and use their GPUs to fold the rest of the time, though
I used to do that until I realized how much power it was consuming.
That and the gpu client kept crashing my system every once in a while.
I'm pretty sure it's DX11 for Evergreen and DX9 for the rest (apart from Fermi, which I'm not sure what it is).
DegustatoR
Veteran
I understand what you meant and I repeat: it's not like GF100 will be slower with less tessellation. It's a question of what you're prepared to pay for:
1. for slower tessellation h/w in hope that no game out there will ever get anything from high tessellation levels which will be unplayable on your card no matter what added quality above "normal" mode they'll provide
2. for faster tesselation h/w where you'll be able to decide for yourself if you prefer more fps but less tessellation (since you're unable to see any difference) or more tessellation with playable fps.
In the second case you have a choice to make on a title by title basis. In the first one you're making your choice when you're paying for the card.
Most visible difference between normal and extreme in Heaven 2.0 lies in the tessellation distance LOD. Up close the difference isn't that big (although the road stones and roofs tiles are more smooth on extreme than on normal).
4890 runs DX9 renderer while all the EGs and 480 run in DX11.
Pretty stupid to compare different DX versions on the same chart
I do it in the winter in lieu of paying the gas bill
Never had any system crashes with the GPU client here, 3 systems, all running GT200b now (2x GTX 275, 1x GTX 285). Was running each for weeks and even months on end folding 24x7 without issue.Well, yeah. You get the feeling that either the reviewers are pretty dense or not too honest. Then again, it's only charts, you don't know what description there will be...
psychoticdream
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ChronoReverse
Newcomer
No you don't then. You seem to have it in mind that I'm comparing this to the ATI solutions. My comment is solely that I'm willing to trade off a lower level of tessellation in exchange for more FPS if the visual difference isn't very much. This comment holds true even if ATI doesn't have tessellation at all!
Now, you're trying to say that Nvidia hardware will still be faster with less extreme levels of tessellation and this certainly is true. In this case, the question is whether the gap remains as large since the GTX480 is faster in general anyway.
I do it in the winter in lieu of paying the gas bill
Running it on a GTX260 myself. Probably because I also gamed with it running sometimes by mistake that it became unstable (although I recall crashes in the client even without that).
I blame folding@home though. The ATI clients were also crash-prone on other systems I've tried them on.
I agree.
Jawed
Legend
There's no indication that Evergreen is any good at tessellation.
This presentation has "red" indicating ATI, but no "green" indicating NVidia:
http://developer.amd.com/gpu_assets/Tessellation Performance.ppsx
ATI doesn't like triangles smaller than 8 pixels - seems to indicate that some combination of rasterisation and/or fragment-packing into hardware threads and/or hardware thread capacity is a problem.
If some of the features that were planned for Evergreen were cut-out in the "40nm disaster avoidance shrinkage", there might be something in there that makes or breaks tessellation.
Bilodeau's presentation:
http://developer.amd.com/gpu_assets/Direct3D 11 Tessellation Tutorial.ppsx
provides quite a nice list of things to do with tessellation - much better than most lists I've seen.
I agree arbitrary over-tessellation is pointless - but at least it doesn't kneecap NVidia. Robust is good.
Jawed
All no AA no AF, thats a waste of time...
Cookie Monster
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ChronoReverse
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If everyone would append .nyud.net then we would all have less trouble reading it lol
Gaming with the client on isn't generally a good idea, I've had game crashes due to it which is why I generally disable the client before gaming. The ATi FAH client is garbage. Performance is a joke and it's just not as stable as the NV client.
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