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NVIDIA GF100 & Friends speculation
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That's correct. Sometimes it's $450 to 450 euros + something more. The high-end is exceedingly expensive in Europe.
GT200 was $100-$120 after a couple of months of production, it might certainly go that direction fast though.
In the US it sells for about $399 (even $409 on Newegg). That's not 1$=1€!
You mean "that is correct" as in "that is what the picture shows" or "that is the real size"?
So, about 2 more months of *very* profitable cypress and juniper sales (till the messiah-ic B1 arrives).
$500 would probably the initial cost of the earlier production. The guy who leaked the information is said to work in certain AIC in China. He has claimed he is in trouble now...
Testing/packaging often costs 30-50% of the die cost itself. Taking it to be 40%, it comes to $357 per working die. At $5000 per 40nm wafer, it comes to ~14 chips per wafer. As per Theo's estimate of 94 dies per wafer, that is <15% yield. Certainly an improvement over the 2% figure. :smile:
Overall, $500 per chip is way too high.
But that was on an older and hence very mature process, wasn't it?
it says €523 versus $671 for me though. which is 1!=1
You are comparing retail price, i'm comparing MSRP prices which are 695€ and 699$
Really? At 62.5% yields in the first month of its production it was nowhere near any ludicrous manufacturing cost some want to imagine.
TSMC doesn't have that many customers at cutting edge processes, it has to fill the pipeline ... I would assume they are swallowing at least some of the costs though discounts.
I think it's perfectly possible and entirely irrelevant. This initial batch of sales will be a pittance compared to the sunk cost for NVIDIA regardless of yields ... the manufacturing costs per chip of the respin are going to be important.
In Poland HD 5870 is ~360€ (all brands sale for 1400PLN) with good availability and we have 22% VAT. HD 5970 sales for 580€ to 600€ which seems to be a bit too much. Generally prices in other EU countries seem to be very similar.
But i agree that 450€ for GTX 480 suggests its not that much faster than HD 5870. I am guessing 10% to 30% depending on benchmark.
Well, I don't think testing/packaging scale with die cost, so we'd be talking much closer to $500 than $357 die cost. Figure $450 as a nice round figure. That would put it at around an 11% yield.
But regardless, nVidia can't sell their chips for that much, so they certainly aren't going to go into production with chips that cost around $500. A chip that sells for $500, after all, could only be placed in a video card that sold for somewhere in the ballpark of $1000, and that would require some pretty insane performance to sell at all.
Could you link the MSRPs for 5970 Euro prices?
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