no, doesn't work that way most of the time. At least in my experience.
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AMD: R9xx Speculation
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no, doesn't work that way most of the time. At least in my experience.
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I know what you're saying, and AMD still has room to expand within 40nm of course, but I'm just saying they need to start pushing against the limits if processes really do take longer to get to. If 28nm really is delayed to early 2012, this is the 2nd node in a row with major issues, in which case they'll need to look at yet another 40nm product possibly next year and with changes already done here, they might have to scrap small dies for another gen
And I would actually say that the 5870 is more of 80% of the 480 so we'll see where 6970 ends up, esp. w/r/t die size and power
Yes I'm well aware of that, but it's not stopping Nvidia from releasing the 570GTX and eventually the 560's which the 6800's will probably have a tough time with
And who's to say Nvidia won't have a 2x card this time either? Dual 570's might well fit within the realm of doable
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ZerazaX: ATI/AMD has exactly the same room as nVidia. In fact they are in better position. They are under 400mm² while nVidia is over 500mm². ATI can increase die-size to achieve better performance. nVidia can't, they are already near the upper limit.
ZerazaX: ATI/AMD has exactly the same room as nVidia. In fact they are in better position. They are under 400mm² while nVidia is over 500mm². ATI can increase die-size to achieve better performance. nVidia can't, they are already near the upper limit.
Well CPU's tend to have a much longer validation time then GPU's, the rules are alot more stringent, so with a GPU/CPU hybrid I wouldn't be suprised the delay is caused because of validation times are going to even greater!
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NathansFortune
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I'm sure the results will leak and I'll be served up some crow before then!
NathansFortune: Check my post in a week
ZerazaX: ATI/AMD has exactly the same room as nVidia. In fact they are in better position. They are under 400mm² while nVidia is over 500mm². ATI can increase die-size to achieve better performance. nVidia can't, they are already near the upper limit.
That is true, AMD is in a much better position with current designs, if process tech doesn't evolve in a timely fashion.
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ZerazaX: ATI/AMD has exactly the same room as nVidia. In fact they are in better position. They are under 400mm² while nVidia is over 500mm². ATI can increase die-size to achieve better performance. nVidia can't, they are already near the upper limit.
You're right, but again, the question is... will going bigger force ATI to encounter the same issues Nvidia has had? And will they be prepared/able to take the financial aspect of it? After all, Nvidia has other business lines they can sell those cards in to make up for it
And I don't think Nvidia is tapped out just because of it - the 580, while some don't consider 20% as impresive, certainly shows Nvidia is still quite able to revamping cards to perform better and take less power draw - who knows whats still up their sleeve
That being said, ATI is in a better position with smaller die - no doubt about it, but part of ATI/AMD's advantage in the past few years was being one step ahead on process, so come 2012, all bets are off
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Good point, there are a lot of advantages to going smaller and ATi will have to deal with the same issues Nvidia had to deal with for GF100 and have now solved with GF110. Maybe that is why there is sudden talk of lower performance, ATi are just encountering the same issues as Nvidia did with Fermi, and the lack of a process shrink has killed their yields and thermals.
The third gen 40nm products are going to be very interesting, I would be surprised if Nvidia bothered with Kepler and ATi will have optimised any issues with larger die sizes by then so hopefully both will be super competitive.
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So ~ 400mm^2 for NI. That seems smaller than the rumours, I heard some all the way up at 450mm^2 for 6970.
Performance or die-size?
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Die size, performance is anywhere between 20% above Cypress to 20% above GTX580. The most realistic rumours seem to be in the 30% above Cypress which would put it 10% below GTX580, allowing a lower price but a better price/performance ratio.
I remember he said something like that die size will be increased by 15% and performance boost will be more than linear.
We got another 6 days of this to go? OMMFG....
Sounds like CaymanXT performance sentiment relative to the 580 is shifting on an almost daily basis. ATI/AMD have done a remarkable job keeping everyone in the dark this close to launch, but after the inevitable buildup of expectations (even amongst the conservative crowd here at B3D), they may be setting themselves up for a major letdown.
My performance prediction for next week is 5970->580->6970->570->6950.
March will be 6990->580->6970->etc as the 6990 replaces the 5970.
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