AMD: R8xx Speculation

[Neb]

It is real. Confirmed on Chiphell ~1.5 months ago.

Well damn if that is an authentic picture as it wont fit in my ~small case. Shit...

 

[Sound_Card]

Looks fake. No way a ~300USD card will be that big. If anything that will be the 5870x2 prototype.

I thought Juniper was the $299? Was not Cypress suppose to be the $399?

 

[Vincent]

Bigger than a HD4870X2.

Better than a HD4870X2 in terms of real gaming performance ?

 

[Sound_Card]

Better than a HD4870X2 in terms of real gaming performance ?

I'm actually thinking faster then HD 4890 CF. Thanks to CF scaling hahaha.

 

[Tchock]

Wait. It's ONLY as long as the 8800GTX?

The 300 advertises support for that. So I'm in luck! (Just not airflow-wise)

 

[Subtlesnake]

Bigger than a HD4870X2.

That's not going to fit in the Thermaltake Element S case that I was going to use for my new PC.

 

[Psycho]

Those pictures seem to support the $399 rumour. And then some less beefy configuration for the 5850. No way juniper will be used for the 5850, it's to far away, question is if juniper is 56x0 or 57x0..

 

[CarstenS]

That thing already looks mighty fast! Makes me wish for the increase in texture quality to be applicable at the user's discretion into higher quality filtering for older games like ... crysis?

 

[Silent_Buddha]

It's just as long as a 8800 GTX (actually a smidge smaller I heard) which means it'll fit in Shuttle SFF cases just fine. It'd be weird that a desktop case would have problems.

Regards,
SB

 

[DegustatoR]

Wait. It's ONLY as long as the 8800GTX?

4870 X2 is 27 cm long.
8800GTX is 28 cm long.

 

[Kaotik]

Bigger than a HD4870X2.

You got 1st hand info on that? Since it's contradicting the numbers I've seen/heard

Seems quite long.

Just a tad shorter than GTX280 or HD2900XT by the numbers I've seen so far regarding this specific card (which indeed was shown by Chiphell a long time ago)

I thought Juniper was the $299? Was not Cypress suppose to be the $399?

Nope, Cypress "Pro" $299 and Cypress "XT" $399, Juniper is the $199 and under product, supposed to perform around HD4800-series' level of performance

 

[Alistair]

Are those air intakes at the end? And would a housing like this be expected in retail cards or is it an engineering sample? I'm assuming these are for real from the reactions here

 

[Kaotik]

Are those air intakes at the end? And would a housing like this be expected in retail cards or is it an engineering sample? I'm assuming these are for real from the reactions here

Well the exact same design was shown a long time ago at Chiphell already, so who knows

 

[Rangers]

Are those air intakes at the end? And would a housing like this be expected in retail cards or is it an engineering sample? I'm assuming these are for real from the reactions here

That doesn't look anything like a retail card to me. Way too crude and ugly.

 

[Sound_Card]

Nope, Cypress "Pro" $299 and Cypress "XT" $399, Juniper is the $199 and under product, supposed to perform around HD4800-series' level of performance

ahh yes, forgot about the HD 5850.
I'm thinking Juniper is going to be the HD 5650.
Is not $100 a bit larger difference then the previous difference between the HD 4850 and HD 4870? I wonder if their is going to to be a little more differences between the two other then clocks. Maybe disabled clusters as well? Smaller bus width?

 

[Kaotik]

ahh yes, forgot about the HD 5850.
I'm thinking Juniper is going to be the HD 5650.
Is not $100 a bit larger difference then the previous difference between the HD 4850 and HD 4870? I wonder if their is going to to be a little more differences between the two other then clocks. Maybe disabled clusters as well? Smaller bus width?

TBH I think the $399 will be for 2GB model, and 1GB could be $349, while 5850 will come (by default) at 1GB $299

 

[Sound_Card]

TBH I think the $399 will be for 2GB model, and 1GB could be $349, while 5850 will come (by default) at 1GB $299

hmm, thats seems pretty logical.

Considering the size of Cyrpess (I think we can agree that picture is the HD 5870), could it be 512bit? Or bigger then 256bit to the least?

 

[Rangers]

This may be fake but sounds reasonable:

http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=11135

5870=

1600 SP
80 TMU
850 mhz clock
1200 mhz GDDR5
330mm^2
2 billion+transistors
"Just over" 150 GB/s BW
26 watts idle, 190 peak
$399
Close in performance to a 4870X2 or GTX295

Hmm, the site also claims 5850 is 1440 SP's, which is a no go according to you guys right (ATI doesnt disable quads?) so it may be fake?

 

[apoppin]

i got some info and details about 5870/5850 & X2 that i just posted on my tech site you might like

http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=11135

HD 5870 offers over 1600 Stream processors. Amazingly AMD doubled the number of SIMD units from 10 to 20. Since every SIMD unit contains 16 5-D units and a Quad-TMU overall, that means we count 1600 stream processors and 80 TMUs. We are talking about a new videocard whose core speed is at 850 MHz and whose 256-bit GDDR5 runs at 1200 MHz – all for the suggested retail of $399! AMD is expecting HD 5870 to come close to the performance of a HD 4870-X2 or GTX 295.

There is a new feature that is called “eyefinity” which means that 3 LCDs can be simultaneously supported at 2560×1600, with options for future cards to support up to six LCDS!!

The HD 5870 die size is slightly over 330 MM2 and packed with over 2 billion transistors. This translates into one beast of a card with just over 150 GB/second bandwidth. It is very likely that the 8X + 8X PCIe CrossFire slots of the new p55 motherboards for Core i5 will become saturated with two of them.

What is outstanding is that we are hearing that the HD 5870 will perform at just over 26 watts at idle and peak below 190 watts maximum!! That is quite a challenge for Nvidia to meet or beat in their own upcoming GT 300 series as the performance to watt ratio is outstanding.

What is also new to watch for in HD 58X0 series besides DX11 capability is that there is a new AA/AF algorithm, where everything on the render back end has been doubled. As a benefit for gamers, that means much less of a performance hit when going from no AA to 4xAA or perhaps even from 4xAA to 8xAA.

The new HD 5850 will launch on September 23 also. We hear it is priced below $299. HD 5850 will sport 1440 stream processors and it will have lower clockspeeds than it’s big brother. We are hearing somewhere around 700/1000 MHz and it can also display simultaneously on 3 LCDs at up to 2560×1600 resolution.

Finally, you can expect the HD 5870-X2 to be released in the second half of October.

EDIT:

You beat me to it Rangers .. and it is NOT fake
- guaranteed .. i was right on about GT 200 series also

 

[Rangers]

Looks like we've got our first real NDA leaks

Very impressive..even a little thing like 850 mhz clock is blazing fast. 100 mhz faster than 4870 for a start. So maybe the refresh hits 950-1ghz stock easily.

Overall, wow. Nvidia has it's work cut out.

Suddenly 399 seems like a bargain. Especially if that power consumption is real.

I guess the only thing I'd worry about is if they start getting bandwidth limited at high res. Nvidia could exploit that with their larger busses. Other than that I dont see GT300 topping this. Say GT300 is a ~ doubling of functional units as we expect, that still doesnt put it as a larger jump than this.