To my understanding, both lawsuits (Intel sued NVIDIA for patent license violation, while NVIDIA countersued) are not concluded yet. Some had speculated that Intel's huge settlement with AMD may be related to this (because if NVIDIA is able to charge Intel for anti-competitive behavior with this, they may be able to claim something quite big, so Intel doesn't want NVIDIA to get any help from AMD in this case).
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To my understanding, both lawsuits (Intel sued NVIDIA for patent license violation, while NVIDIA countersued) are not concluded yet. Some had speculated that Intel's huge settlement with AMD may be related to this (because if NVIDIA is able to charge Intel for anti-competitive behavior with this, they may be able to claim something quite big, so Intel doesn't want NVIDIA to get any help from AMD in this case).
Why would the fact that NV canceled a chipset product imply that a case course was settled?
This logic baffles me.
DK
Because last I had heard, it was on hold(lithographs are done and have been sent in and sample silicon tested, just nothing else til court case is resolved) until the court case was settled. Alot easier to move foward with a product once legalities are cleared than it is to buy yourself out of possible financial impediment because you went ahead with something to market that you shouldn't have.
Seems like samsung canceled their Tegra (I) deal: http://semiaccurate.com/2010/04/14/samsung-dumps-nvidia-tegra/
That explains a lot....
Maybe, but looking at the specs from the Zune HD and its battery life which is excellent I find his assertion that it is all the fault of nvidia having hot chips that miss their specs silly.
To me what is more likely is that Nvidia wants more money for their chips than competitors with inferior ability. This is a business and if you can buy 90% of the capability for 70% of the price and no other competitor is jumping on tegra then why would you? As long as your phone has the right logo on it, looks shiny with a good skin job, or whatever else it will sell. If HTC put a tegra into one of their phones I imagine suddenly a bunch of competitors would want to as well. Nvidia is losing out though since they are missing the window of opportunity where their device is superior by a good bit.
Well obviously we disagree on that
I certainly remember when AMD wasn't getting into any products despite better CPUs. Perhaps that colors my thinking.Well obviously we disagree on that
There was one intel. TI/Qualcomm/Freescale/Samsung.. compete in smartphone SoC market. IOW, this market is too fragmented for dirty tactics to work.
But it doesn't need to be dirty tactics if one chip is more expensive and faster and another is cheaper and slower. Dirty tactics are only necessary if you have a slower more expensive chip beating another competitor, but obviously that happens as well (though I am not saying in this case)
If no competitor builds a phone with the fast chip no one wants to be the first to do it as it involves a risk. If they cannot demand a premium for their phone and still sell the same number then they will lose money compared to sticking with the status quo. If on the other hand another competitor uses the more expensive chip, sells at a premium, and increases demand then everyone will jump on the band wagon and try to copy them.
Silent_Buddha
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And if those other chips have lower power useage = greater battery life at 90% of the performance for 70% of the price, a company would have to be an idiot to go for the more power hungry and expensive chip.
I haven't kept up on this, but has anyone other than MS with the Zune HD gone with Tegra for a mobile device?
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SB
aaronspink
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Depends. Considering that 99.9% of what a Zune does is completely offloaded, the power management doesn't have to be that good or complex to get decent results. Things drastically shift when you take that same hardware and put it into a phone environment with more dynamic power management requirements.
I was comparing it to other MP3/video/wifi devices such as the ipod touch and so on. Once these microsoft phones come out, if anyone buys them (which I would not since social media doesn't get me excited) then we will have a better metric to compare.
Well there isn't really any other options for Notebooks is there if your looking to design for DX11?
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