Is there any reason as to why XDR/GDDR is/should be more expensive than DDR/2/3? Except that that they "can" be. Bigger dies? More expensive manufacturing tech? Lower volumes, doh, but still not "small".
Where can one find references to spot pricing, IE dramexchange style? Current prices?
I upgraded explorer on my comp (xp) whereafter the leaking is horrible. I always have several tabs open and mostly use firefox, but some sites only work with explorer :sad:
A few hours with explorer & a few tabs open and it brings a X2 4400 with 2gb ram to the ground every time, if I leave...
The PPU can't use more than 128
At launch Asus said they would sell units with 256, I think they actually shipped a few. Ageia later stated there would be no use having a card with more than 128 ram as the chip could not make any use of it, I can't recall the exact wording but it would add...
I have no idea what sort of quantities they ship Realta in.
But with the numbers from:
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?p=1015700#post1015700
TSMC 300mm wafer 90nm ~ 3k.
65nm ~ +15% (3450)
100 million transistors logic = 20mm2 on TSMC 65nm.
3305 dies per wafer.
~90,6% yield...
Silicon Optix - Top line Realta / 100 million transistors
Got a solid reference :wink:
http://www.reseaucapital.com/Conferences/Congres_2005/Silicon%20Optrix.pdf
on page 22 of 25.
Realta is Silicon Optix's top line chip as I understand.
http://www.siliconoptix.com/products/Realta.cfm...
I know where you are going at, but it is my understanding "real" (except real cheap ones) do a lot more, Silent_guy described it very nicely, so I'll just quote him:
Would not a "real smart" scaler give quite nice result in games? If they only blow it up to fit, would it not always be better...
But if a scaler does not take up so much space, why don't nVidia & ATI(AMD) integrate one now in every chip? For example, say you have a 30" 2560 x 1600 but can only get good frame rates at 1600x1200 or whatever, and then let it scale up to whatever resolution is your maximum? If it is really...
It can't be all that small
Microsofts new Xbox 360 elite with Hana (shrink? new packaging?) got the scaler as a separate chip. Had it been all that "tiny" it would have made sense to include it on the NB to avoid additional packaging? Might have proven economical not to with yield / packaging...
It was meant in irony as I seriously doubt real references can be given on the same ground you just mentioned, the closest would be if anyone knew the size or level of complexity of the chips so one could begin in that end and calculate the production costs.
I fail to see how it could be...
Cost of IHS
I have been told that using an IHS can double the packaging cost, but surely that can't be true in a case such as this one, but more on the level of CPU package cost?
Is not using a IHS more of a fixed cost than one that scales (except for material cost with size)? So, in numbers...
Very constructive & insightful post gunblade :grin:
Seeing as you have some insight regarding packaging, you know what range Intels & AMD are in for X2 & C2D? With or without IHS. F and xeon differ greatly from these you think?
What about the PCB? I always thought it was a rather large...
Anyone with some insight who can speculate, in VERY rought numbers, what it does cost for the OEMs to include a scaler in their products? Not THE top of the line, but a more than decent one. References would be greatly appreciated :roll:
Shame I can't give rep, very helpfull.
The question regarding complexity was mainly in relation to chip price. What does it cost to integrate and how complex are these chips compared to one and the other? For example, audio chips we can have one from 70 cents up to Xi-fi with 50ish million...