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First of all, that you don't share Druga's opinion doesn't mean you can simply attack him like this. Insulting other people and calling them biased doesn't make you right. And second, if you'd have actually read Sanders defence you could have seen for yourself that his claim that the email was...

Maybe a bit offtopic, and I don't know if this has been posted on the forum already, but R520 launch has just become even more interesting. On a Dutch forum I read about an Austrian hardwaresite that released some figures on the latest nVidia 81.26 beta drivers...

It simply depends on how you interpret Sanders remarks in those emails... some will consider them jokes (as they probably were as Sander claims), but others would consider them inappropriate... and again others will say they have an underlying (negative) tone. From the emails I read, I could...

Even after your article things still don't look good for you Sander... * Were you misquoted by ATi? Probably, it's pretty likely if I read the context... However take a hint from me and start using emoticons, like Andrzej does... emoticons can and often WILL really make a huge difference in...

Something else, would it be possible/appropriate to split the guessing game off from this thread..? It's quite "fun" (and that might be a good for a change here) but doesn't have much to do with the HA <> ATi issue. Plus I'm afraid we soon have to go look for the serious posts between the...

Yah Andrzej..! At the end of the day just write down only a figure... you don't have to tell us what that figure means... just the figure :mrgreen: It's four digits, so it can also be your PINcode right :razz:

If ATi manages to get R520XT to take a 33% performance leep over their previous top model just like nVidia did, I'd say 8379... lets make that 8400 shall we ;) Ik actually hope it's higher, 'cause my 7800GTX TOP manages over 8800 points @stock speeds... so if you can promise me that it will...

That is really some name isn't it... I've been copying it all this time because I constantly forget how to spell it ;) Back ontopic: If we hypotheticly state the test board and drivers were 2 weeks old when the tests were run, ATi still has/had a month from that point to make ajustments...

Thanx for the info, but I guess I'll be waiting for that edit button quite a while longer because I'm not making myself very popular here by not condemning Sander just yet... ah well, I guess that's what you get for playing "devils advocate" right :lol: I wonder if he would still have stepped in...

What evidence is there then? I haven't seen any yet, I've only seen claims up until now. Unless you can hand me the actual benchmark results from ALL pre-production R520 hardware in combination with ALL R520 pre-production drivers, used combination with his timedemo's - option 3 still is a...

<Why is there no "edit" button on this forum> :?: :idea: Besides what I said in my previous post: not coming out in the open, but fighting the war in the shades via 3rd parties always makes things worse i.m.o... personally I am for either fighting things out head to head in public, or fighting...

Well, I can point on the 8 pages of heated discussion behind us in this thread, let alone what went missing in the failed split. We could have saved ourselfs quite a lot of time if this post from Andrzej had been on page one in stead of page seven ;) Besides, if you'd check the equivalent of...

Andrzej, Thank you for posting this. We now finally have a clear official statement on the matter, and some reasonable explanation directly from ATi. I would however have liked you or any other ATi rep to come out with this before everything went utterly out of control like it has. By...

Sorry, that's why I bothered to post at B3D :lol: As stated in my first post there, I actually thought them to be a reliable source, maybe a bit biased but reliable... Guess I'll never make that mistake again ;)

Because from what I've seen up untill now at least it's possible to have a reasonable "grown up" discussion here, without people being banned for having other ideas than admins ;)