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Disappointing. Top Gear is one of the worst offenders for TV aliasing. HD would be welcome. But I don't know that the Beeb record it in HD yet. The heavy compression is poor though. I'd hope for near DVD quality h.264 or other high-end compression. How big are the files?
You mean charge for it on GTTV? That's no different to buying a BBC DVD. The fee covers production and broadcasting. Alternative media is billable at their discretion, and charging a 3rd party service to redistribute is standard practise.
I watched half an episode of Top Gear (running out of disc-space again!) and it looks well enough, but I sure am hoping for a HD version of the show at some point!
One episode totals about 800MB, I think.
The strength of GT:TV right now seems to be in making everything available globally. I have imported a couple of Best Motoring DVDs for instance just to see some tests on the famous Japanese tracks that are in GT, and be able to sort of compare them (and the car/laptimes on them) with the real thing.
Now I can get car-shows that I just can't get anywhere else right now. Top Gear is broadcast a lot in my part of the world, but I haven't seen any D1 or Best Motoring, etc., anywhere just yet.
They should look at including subtitling options though. I don't mind it for Top Gear, but I know this will be a downside for a lot of Europeans.
I do like the way the downloads are handled, in the main ... you can see progress and you can see it works only when you're not racing online, etc.
One episode totals about 800MB, I think.
The strength of GT:TV right now seems to be in making everything available globally. I have imported a couple of Best Motoring DVDs for instance just to see some tests on the famous Japanese tracks that are in GT, and be able to sort of compare them (and the car/laptimes on them) with the real thing.
Now I can get car-shows that I just can't get anywhere else right now. Top Gear is broadcast a lot in my part of the world, but I haven't seen any D1 or Best Motoring, etc., anywhere just yet.
They should look at including subtitling options though. I don't mind it for Top Gear, but I know this will be a downside for a lot of Europeans.
I do like the way the downloads are handled, in the main ... you can see progress and you can see it works only when you're not racing online, etc.
Okay, a different but similar example. I watch Doctor Who on TV in the 70s, paid for by my license money. I then buy the BetaMAX video with no extras. I then buy a VHS version as BetaMAX dies. Then the DVD when that comes out. I then buy the BRD for an HD show (which of course won't happen!). I'm buying the same thing over and over!
The only difference with downloads is media, there's no physical product to add cost to the distribution, but a £7 VHS cassette wasn't £7 of media - I was buying the content again. And again with DVD, regardless of extras which don't count unless your purposefully buying the DVD for the extras.
800 MBs for an hour should be respectable quality.Arwin said:
Had a speaker from NRK (Norwegian equivalent of the BBC) at a seminar we did this summer and they do sell DVD's etc and make a nice profit.
But what he said, is that they are now digitizing all of their own production content and will put it up on the Web for free downloads, since we (tv license paying people) already paid for it.
Current solution only supports Windows in an easy manner, but the new solution will be OS independent, they really wanted to support Apple TV for instance etc.
He also talk about how they actually put up the last episode of a series, just when the 2nd last finished showing and people jumped on the web to download etc.
They even put up stuff on Youtube for people to freely download, http://www.youtube.com/user/nrk
For once I am not to annoyed by paying the mandatory tv license.
Ohh if you can read norwegian the site that the speaker was involved in, can be seen here http://nrkbeta.no/ even if you can not understand norwegian, you can click around on the RSS feed, bittorrent links etc.
But what he said, is that they are now digitizing all of their own production content and will put it up on the Web for free downloads, since we (tv license paying people) already paid for it.
Current solution only supports Windows in an easy manner, but the new solution will be OS independent, they really wanted to support Apple TV for instance etc.
He also talk about how they actually put up the last episode of a series, just when the 2nd last finished showing and people jumped on the web to download etc.
They even put up stuff on Youtube for people to freely download, http://www.youtube.com/user/nrk
For once I am not to annoyed by paying the mandatory tv license.
Ohh if you can read norwegian the site that the speaker was involved in, can be seen here http://nrkbeta.no/ even if you can not understand norwegian, you can click around on the RSS feed, bittorrent links etc.
An episode is 45 minutes, I think?
On another note, anyone here interested in repeating this Road & Track test in GT5 Prologue?
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=49315
There are a fair number of cars in the test that are in GT5 Prologue as well, especially if you take some liberties with the versions
:
Audi R8
BMW M3 Coupé
Corvette Z06
Dodge Viper SRT10
Nissan GT-R
And we could take another Lancer Evo that's close to the MR (I think the Evo X in the game should be close for performance, but not sure from the top of my head)
On another note, anyone here interested in repeating this Road & Track test in GT5 Prologue?
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=49315
There are a fair number of cars in the test that are in GT5 Prologue as well, especially if you take some liberties with the versions
:Audi R8
BMW M3 Coupé
Corvette Z06
Dodge Viper SRT10
Nissan GT-R
And we could take another Lancer Evo that's close to the MR (I think the Evo X in the game should be close for performance, but not sure from the top of my head)
Maybe it´s been to long since i have seen a dvd on my PJ (not really i watched Molokko the other day). But what i saw from TopGear was bad.
Is it possible that the video from GT:TV doesn't use the upscaling features for video playback from the HDD yet, because it doesn't run through the firmware? If so, that could explain a few things and something they should put on their list of things to fix.
It´s a valid question, i will have another check later tonight, maybe i was to harsh because i just had watched the Nurnburg video along with the Ferrari video.
In any case, usually upscaled DVD, if it´s the PJ or the PS3 doesn´t look so bad.. hmmm
The BBC is doing the same, for UK IPs to freely access. Although I think on time-limited downloads. I'd still expect all media passing through third-parties to be paid for though, and no chance of a game licensing content to pass that content on free to some of its players and not others.
They're an hour when broadcast on BBC2, but edited down for Dave to something like 45 minutes to allow for adverts. I presume you're getting the full, unabridged programme.
You do not "own" the content from GT:TV it's rented and deleted after a certain number of days/weeks.
GT:TV is comparable to BBCs iPlayer, not to someone buying a boxset that they own and can watch at any time they want.
Top Gear S6 Episode 5 1/2: 438MB 23 min 26 sec
Top Gear S6 Episode 5 2/2: 480MB 24 min 07 sec
And it does look bad, lots of compression artifacts, edge enhancement etc etc.
For the fun of it i downloaded a SD trailer:
casino royal; 38 MB 2 min 29 secs.
It looked way better, still classic SD, soft, no details, flat picture and obvious "staircases". But compression artifacts was rare and hidden.
I dunno if i dare say this but the Topgear stuff had me thinking.. MPEG2
Can you play the files as standard PS3 video? If so, there's an information bar which shows codec and bitrate. I wouldn't be that surprised if all they got from the BBC was the same MPEG2 files transmitted on the Freeview service.
Sadly no, only from within the game.
Kind a clunky, would be nice to have it on the normal video tap.
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Has anyone played the game recently?
The game just downloaded an expansion pack and gave me a whole new intro when I fired it up.
A driver in a black suit drives a slick, black car around an underground parking garage, parks, then the screen and all of the options gently fade in.
Man, is it ever stylish!
Anyone else gotten this intro?
Also, I am hearing music tracks I certainly havnt heard before, and I've been playing the game since April.
New songs in the update as well, I suppose.
The game just downloaded an expansion pack and gave me a whole new intro when I fired it up.
A driver in a black suit drives a slick, black car around an underground parking garage, parks, then the screen and all of the options gently fade in.
Man, is it ever stylish!
Anyone else gotten this intro?
Also, I am hearing music tracks I certainly havnt heard before, and I've been playing the game since April.
New songs in the update as well, I suppose.
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