I thought that was a joke... joke on me! Just another re-enforcement that the budget put forth toward rasterizing has an end result, currently, many times better than the same budgets put toward realtime RT. With all the hacks and engines coming out with realtime lighting (direct and indirect with nearly limitless lights), shadowing, etc it makes some of the benefits, due to the high costs, less appealing.
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TurnDragoZeroV2G
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How long (if ever) will it even be before we see a convergence between the cost/benefit of raster versus cost/benefit of raytracing? When we can calculate 3 bounces in RT without complex material transmission/diffusion, how likely is it that the hacks can get good to great approximations for, say, 6 bounces with subsurface scattering, using equivalent processing resources? Ignoring edge cases.
Dunno, talking out my ass here.
Dunno, talking out my ass here.
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Meh, about the same time we move over to using REYES for realtime graphics.
Blazkowicz
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this was actual raytracing - everything pre-rendered, of course. that's it, "raytracing" was a term you uttered back in the early 90s and everyone would marvel at how awesome it is.
too bad that infamous game was useless. hit the kick button until your opponnent is dead. continue until you're bored - chances are you won't ever see what the third bot looks like.
too bad that infamous game was useless. hit the kick button until your opponnent is dead. continue until you're bored - chances are you won't ever see what the third bot looks like.
I don't see much hope for raytracing hardware in any next-gen console unless we hear about IMGTEC getting a presence. But then I haven't heard much about hardware developments in OpenRL/Caustic and don't believe there's even a hardware raytracing option from Imagination. Their website says OpenRL will be integrated in future cores.
There's an outside chance of a raytracing reveal in one of the next consoles, but otherwise I don't think that's an avenue worth exploring yet in trying to guess what the next boxes will be packing.
There's an outside chance of a raytracing reveal in one of the next consoles, but otherwise I don't think that's an avenue worth exploring yet in trying to guess what the next boxes will be packing.
They are supposed to show of their Ray-tracing IP in a few days at SIGGRAPH 2012
http://withimagination.imgtec.com/?p=620
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Blazkowicz
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interesting but it sounds like it's about getting an ugly preview with accurate lights and shadows.
No, to both of you.
Currently while modelling a scene, a rasteriser is used for the realtime interaction. This shows an approximation of the final scene which you only know what it'll look like for real when you render a preview. OpenRL (Caustic) is offering a reportedly new approach to raytracing that speeds this method up fast enough to be used during the scene creation phase, and Imagination are also offering custom hardware to speed this process up to 'real-time' speeds. What constitutes realtime is an unknown at this point. 0.5 fps rendering of a complex scene fully lit and shaded is realtime in the offline rendering world, but we'll have to wait and see if the hardware has something to offer the 30fps game market. Hopefully after Siggraph there'll be someone on this board with IMGTEC connections who'll be able to talk. I think we have one or two members who are loosely invovled with IMG...
Who are you calling loose?
this was actual raytracing - everything pre-rendered, of course. that's it, "raytracing" was a term you uttered back in the early 90s and everyone would marvel at how awesome it is.
too bad that infamous game was useless. hit the kick button until your opponnent is dead. continue until you're bored - chances are you won't ever see what the third bot looks like.
I remember playing that game on a PC back in the day. Anyway get Capcom involved and you'd get an awesome robot fighting game.
Not loose enough apparently. IMGTEC leaks wouldn't be enough to sustain a single window-sill Geranium.
Last count it's pretty much all the B3D crew.
Last count it's pretty much all the B3D crew.
What's B3D? Did you mean BeyondImgTec?
Oh really!?!?!?!?!? Who ever knew he was being sarcastic? I had no idea!
I know at least one of these guys used to post frequently at STP/DCTP. I wonder whatever happened to that guy. He once had a website that had a good working of VQ texture compression that blew the other formats out the water. He also is one of the guy's who ever gave any actual good info on the Elan chip. I wonder where he is now....it's not like he ever posts on B3D undder the same name he used those years ago. Simon says?
All sarcasm aside. Where the heck did Kristof ever go? Is he still on these forums or just never posts any more, different name?
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