Tesla has different flavours of wall chargers. Mine is 240V/60amp.
It charges pretty quick but I required all new wiring, fuses, a separate fuse box and a new panel etc to support it.
Going with the NEMA version is much easier to swallow.
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It charges pretty quick but I required all new wiring, fuses, a separate fuse box and a new panel etc to support it.
Going with the NEMA version is much easier to swallow.
Well, I still didn't understand then, but I do now so thanks for the clarification!
Charging power is pretty damned simple: volts times amps equals watts, and watts times hours equals watt-hours. Why is Tesla charging "almost double" the Rivian? It's not because of the power of the charger, it's because of the efficiency of the Tesla drivetrain. Purely as an example, my Model Y Performance will get nearly four miles from a kilowatt-hour of power; the Rivian gets just a tiny bit over two miles for the same power consumption.
Hence my confusion when you were asking about charging, as charging isn't the differentiator here.
Excuse my noob questions, but Is it due to the efficiency of the Tesla drivetrain? Or is it from using Tesla's Supercharger that uses DC Fast Charging that doubles charging speed?
Also isn't DC fast charging one of the things to avoid with regard to shortening battery lifespan and eventual replacement?
Eastmen is asking about chargers for the home. Specifically, he is asking about Rivians top-end 240v charger "only" charging at 25mph when Tesla offers a similar 240v charger rated for 44mph.
If you do the math, both chargers are charging at the same 11kw rate. So then why is Tesla rating theirs at almost double the miles per hour speed? Because the "miles per hour" charge rating also considers the distance your car is expected to get from the power being provided.
Rivian expects you to get around a mile for every 450 watt-hours, Tesla is expecting you will get a mile for every 250 watt-hours. This is why, at the same wattage rating, the Tesla charger appears twice faster than Rivian.
If you do the math, both chargers are charging at the same 11kw rate. So then why is Tesla rating theirs at almost double the miles per hour speed? Because the "miles per hour" charge rating also considers the distance your car is expected to get from the power being provided.
Rivian expects you to get around a mile for every 450 watt-hours, Tesla is expecting you will get a mile for every 250 watt-hours. This is why, at the same wattage rating, the Tesla charger appears twice faster than Rivian.
Well, lets be fair to Rivian here: they build pickup trucks, which are not meant to be aerodynamic nor particularly energy efficient. Just like ICE vehicles, if you want higher fuel (energy) efficiency, you buy a sedan-shaped car and not a block-shaped truck.
Tesla vehicles are very aerodynamic in comparison, both in coefficient of drag and in total frontal area. Tesla also spent a lot of time thinking about other sources of drag such as underbody and down the sides. Every little bit helps...
Tesla vehicles are very aerodynamic in comparison, both in coefficient of drag and in total frontal area. Tesla also spent a lot of time thinking about other sources of drag such as underbody and down the sides. Every little bit helps...
btw does cars in your region have their original selling price declared in tax calculation, compared to the real price you are paying? how much they differ?
for example in indonesia, ioniq 5 NJKB (sales value of motorized vehicles) as 450mill. but being sold at 800mill.
basically for each units, hyundai got hefty profit. much more than tesla's infamous 30% margin. AND THEY ARE BACKORDERED FOR YEARS.
the demands is crazy ROFL.
for example in indonesia, ioniq 5 NJKB (sales value of motorized vehicles) as 450mill. but being sold at 800mill.
basically for each units, hyundai got hefty profit. much more than tesla's infamous 30% margin. AND THEY ARE BACKORDERED FOR YEARS.
the demands is crazy ROFL.
Some chargers are more expensive than gas.
cheapchips
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Forecasts for Q4 tended to be around 415k delivered vs 406k actual. Not sure what Tesla's guidance was. 2-3% miss on volume so not any sort of hand wringing disaster or anything.
There's mumbling concern about demand collapse as Tesla's backlog reduces. Quite how you differentiate that from Tesla (and others) being back to a more normal production vs demand situation I'm not sure.
Jawed
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I suspect China is a big element:
www.ft.com
The competition within China from the native EV car makers is intense.
insideevs.com
Tesla shares slide on delivery fears as Apple’s value dips below $2tn
Electric carmaker suffers on first day of trading in 2023 while iPhone maker loses $1tn of market value in 12 months
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The competition within China from the native EV car makers is intense.
Estimated Tesla Order Backlog Decreased To Just 163,000 As Of Dec 8
Tesla's estimated global electric car order backlog continued its quick decrease in the early days of December, reaching the lowest level in over a year.
insideevs.com
Competition is great in a new space like this. I'm really glad there are so many other players now; let's hope charging networks continue in the same competitive direction.
Jawed
Legend
BYD beats Tesla in 2022 EV sales, vindicating Warren Buffett’s bet
The lay-offs in China’s technology industry and the pandemic-ravaged economy are pushing buyers down market towards cheaper, locally made EVs, instead of imported models or foreign brands like Tesla.
www.scmp.com
As I said, within China the competition is intense.
I mean honestly everyone should have fully expected BYD to beat out Tesla in China. They're less expensive and an established local brand. Even so, more power to them!
AFEELA the awkwardness in Sony mobility CES presentation.
* EPIC - basically says nothing
* Qualcomm - basically says nothing
* Sony - buzz words with emotion and feeling. but at least they showed that the interior design is kinda like Honda e.
* EPIC - basically says nothing
* Qualcomm - basically says nothing
* Sony - buzz words with emotion and feeling. but at least they showed that the interior design is kinda like Honda e.
So uh... Is this another of your famous computer glitches, or did you maybe just respond to the wrong thread?
Ahh, gotcha. Guess I'm further out of the loop than I realized!
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