Microsoft acquired Activision Blizzard King for $69 Billion on 2023-10-13

No offence but I think that is in part why there is such a poor level of discourse and so much noise in many forums.

No offense, but all I did was share an executive's public statements. I wasn't the ones who responded with what seems to be a chip on their shoulder. Really don't see how Nesh's response nor your last response adds anything positive to this discussion. Maybe something is lost in the text you typed, but it came off incredibly standoffish.
 
No offense, but all I did was share an executive's public statements. I wasn't the ones who responded with what seems to be a chip on their shoulder. Really don't see how Nesh's response nor your last response adds anything positive to this discussion.
To be clear, I meant no offence as it's not a knock against your as a mod. But a great deal of posts here add literally nothing, Including some of yours. Perhaps we should all try to raise the bar?
 
I guess the humor in that fell flat for you. It was the only comparison of statements at the time.
It did, never mind. I don't mean to sound pissy, but I really do lament the amount of noise in many threads. No doubt you feel it worse.
 
That is different to what you said/claimed earlier
You can control+F and type in 'foreclosure strategy' and it comes up 9 times. I'm not going to list every single instance of it. Points 26 and 27 pretty much describe the inability to compete because potential returns would drop significantly, and developers would no longer get paid as much and therefore third party studios have less incentive to release titles on playstation and 27. without call of duty revenue they will no longer be able to create great first party titles.

I have tried on several occasions to post a response that just wouldn't lead to less than stellar response coming back from you. Honestly, you're pissy right now, and it's impossible to have a discussion that doesn't involve you insulting people on this thread either directly or indirectly. Neither you nor I benefit from this; it's obvious a truce is in order.

I think for a large portion of those participating in this thread, what happens behind regulatory, and the decisions made there are entirely out of our control. Everyone here would accept that as it is, and no one here is saying that they know what the future response will be. Most people are definitely unhappy with the responses, and you're reading about that here, how people cope with that is entirely their own. But your strategy has been largely to declare this dissent as 'noise' and conspiracy theory pushing, denial and misterxmedia fanboyism. You've declared me as PR for Hoeg, and declare me incapable of understanding your posts entirely, just like earlier you badgered me for having no knowledge of any sort of accountancy. Both insulting, but a little funny, but impossible to know if you're joking or not, so I have to call you on those points, and you're suddenly, like, hey it's your issue you can't understand what I'm saying, you're incredibly bad at it so stop trying. Except here you are writing about how frustrated you are posting here, perhaps the readers aren't the problem, but the issue is how you engage with other forum members here? In particular members can feel your general lack of respect for anyone who disagrees with your points?

It is normal for people to engage in commentary if they see something they feel is unfair whether it impacts them or not.
So, why not let them? What is the worst that could happen? You're getting real time data how people feel about regulatory process. Perhaps in the midst of all this complaining people will be able to understand your humour? I think we could use more of it here at B3D, perhaps the culture here is too serious. We could use more lively banter, if people were able to discern it from an insult.

But I think among the dissent, there can be a fairly neutral debate on the merit of the arguments presented by the bodies and corporations, which I was largely assuming that is what people here are discussing.
You can still post useful information among the dissent.

You're frustrated, it's clear. That happens. It's not a technical topic. There's no reason to try to moderate the dissent and downplay any post that isn't neutral. We aren't the regulatory body, that's not our job. If people are doing a job on our behalf, people can complain, that's precisely what politics is. I've no horse in this race, merger cancelled then it's status quo for everything. Merger approved, honestly, I still think status quo, MAYBE a little shift, at best we get back to how close 360 and PS3 were. Don't care what the outcome is, though I would care about Blizzard games returning in form, but that's not a driving reason for me to post here.
 
You'll get no argument from me that the EU comms were awful. If you want to know the breadth of concerns, they have been set out in both UK CMA and EU pre-announcements. I feel like I'm wasting my time though, because there is a core of people here who don't want to believe this is about anything more than PlayStation and Call of Duty.
You have to admit, though, that while the pre-announcements may have been broader in scope, since then nearly all of the communication has been centered around COD and Playstation. I'm not saying that it isn't about more. I'm saying that the accusation that only Microsoft is pushing this narrative is incorrect, because Sony and the EU commission certainly keep making statements and actions that point in that direction.
 
Big tech and the rest of the industry are finally deserving whatever's coming in their way considering a majority of them conspired to deplatform the political opposition and a clear chunk of their employees despise their supporters. They should be prepared to languish in the wrath of the current administration every possible manner ...
 
It’s war zone and cod mobile. You have same maps as in cod mw and mw 2. It’s same franchise with same maps same gameplay and same mechanics.
I stand corrected. When I looked at it, it looked like one of the IAP-hell knock offs. Out of interest, what do you nee to pay for? I see it's free to download.

You can control+F and type in 'foreclosure strategy' and it comes up 9 times. I'm not going to list every single instance of it.

And you don't need to. "Foreclosure strategy" is a relative term and Sony are using it in the sense is particular business models, such a Microsoft changing the release of Call of Duty to favour Xbox. I cannot see any instance of Sony clawing what you said:

Sony is making the argument that ownership of CoD would cause them to foreclose.

Perhaps a misunderstanding?

You have to admit, though, that while the pre-announcements may have been broader in scope, since then nearly all of the communication has been centered around COD and Playstation. I'm not saying that it isn't about more.

For Sony and Microsoft it is mostly about Call of Duty and other Activision-Blizzard IPs they are on console and may not be on PlayStaton in future, or other IPs in development that may not. Only Microsoft and Sony are making public statements about the acquisitions or approving the release of redacted statements made to the UK CMA. But from what both the UK CMA and EU have said on their rationale for going to stage two, many other competitors have expressed concerns about possible impacts to wider parts of the industry. The big ones seem to be store fronts (Valve, Epic), streaming (I presume Sony, Nvidia and Amazon) and PC operating systems (I presume, mostly Valve and Amazon).

You cannot take much from the US process, it feels opaque in contrast, apart from clarification that evidence was taken from Satya Nadella and Bobby Kotick, very little hard facts are known.
 
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Sony is using COD as an argument, since it is a strong point they can make with the particular franchise's super success. They cant easily make a point for other franchises.
I think Sony is reactive after seeing Zenimax and now Blizzard/Activision and fearing this is not going to stop and that a group of franchises and a powerhouse of huge ex-multiplatform studios will be used to build an unstoppable inaccessible portfolio to other platforms, or used as a negotiation card to force competitive platforms to play on MS's conditions.
I mean, it is pretty obvious even how MS sees things. Their arguments show exactly that. Whatever arguments they used on Sony is a reflection of what they want to achieve to support their strategy. A big selection of exclusive AAA quality titles. It would have been awesome if MS could do what Sony did, which they did only partly and unsuccessfully. Invest in talent and bring new exclusive experiences. But instead, they see their fastest and easiest way to own Sony's advantage, is to own existing powerhouses and their existing franchises.
 
I stand corrected. When I looked at it, it looked like one of the IAP-hell knock offs. Out of interest, what do you nee to pay for? I see it's free to download.

Its the usual stuff, weapon skins, operators etc. I never buy any of this stuff to be honest, but you can play totally fine without it.
Its not like usual mobile game locked behind pay2play stuff. Ofc it lacks SP campaign and so on, but its very enjoyable MP experience and has many of the iconic MP maps from MW (cod4) MW2, BlackOps etc etc
 
Ofc it lacks SP campaign and so on, but its very enjoyable MP experience and has many of the iconic MP maps from MW (cod4) MW2, BlackOps etc etc
Ah I see. I'm one of those weirdos who only does the campaign and I loved the 360/PS3 era MW triology! :runaway: I'm still waiting for an remastered MW3, which probable isn't coming.
 
Ah I see. I'm one of those weirdos who only does the campaign and I loved the 360/PS3 era MW triology! :runaway: I'm still waiting for an remastered MW3, which probable isn't coming.
Isn't the value in COD and Sony's concerns all for the multiplayer aspect?
 
I stand corrected. When I looked at it, it looked like one of the IAP-hell knock offs. Out of interest, what do you nee to pay for? I see it's free to download.

Just want to add to what Mr Magoo said. It's basically the same on console, PC and mobile. It's a popular F2P title with microtransactions and generates a significant revenue stream.

BTW - don't worry about getting pissy about some of the comms in here. I only pop into it from time to time when I'm in the right frame of mind. :p

I think part of the disconnect some have as well is that while we in the West think broadly similarly there are nuances that differ between how Europeans view big business, competition and how they interact with consumers versus how NA views those same dynamics. While we're all democracies, when speaking in broad generalities, Europeans tend to take a more Socialist view of the interaction between consumers and business while North Americans tend to take a more Caplitalist view of the same with Canada straddling the line between NA and Europe WRT how they view that dynamic. Again, broad generalities as you'll find the full spectrum of views on both sides of the pond, just the ratio differs between the various ways to view it.

I like to look at this thread as an interesting insight into how different people from different cultures view a similar event, and not as whether or not one is more or less correct than another. At the end of the day it's all just varying opinions.

And I'd also like to point out that regardless of the aims of government entities to be impartial, history shows us time and again that no governmental entity is immune to straying from impartiality from time to time. Now, please don't take that to mean that I'm claiming any particular entity is or isn't impartial. Just take it as a measure of why people may or may not blindly trust what any given regulatory agency has to say about anything.

Regards,
SB
 
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Just want to add to what Mr Magoo said. It's basically the same on console, PC and mobile. It's a popular F2P title with microtransactions and generates a significant revenue stream.

BTW - don't worry about getting pissy about some of the comms in here. I only pop into it from time to time when I'm in the right frame of mind. :p

I think part of the disconnect some have as well is that while we in the West think broadly similarly there are nuances that differ between how Europeans view big business, competition and how they interact with consumers versus how NA views those same dynamics. While we're all democracies, when speaking in broad generalities, Europeans tend to take a more Socialist view of the interaction between consumers and business while North Americans tend to take a more Caplitalist view of the same with Canada straddling the line between NA and Europe WRT how they view that dynamic. Again, broad generalities as you'll find the full spectrum of views on both sides of the pond, just the ratio differs between the various ways to view it.

I like to look at this thread as an interesting insight into how different people from different cultures view a similar event, and not as whether or not one is more or less correct than another. At the end of the day it's all just varying opinions.

And I'd also like to point out that regardless of the aims of government entities to be impartial, history shows us time and again that no governmental entity is immune to straying from impartiality from time to time. Now, please don't take that to mean that I'm claiming any particular entity is or isn't impartial. Just take it as a measure of why people may or may not blindly trust what any given regulatory agency has to say about anything.

Regards,
SB

In regards to big business. Sony is the big business in the console industry. Out of 4 generations they have been a part of so far only one did not have them in first place . The ps3 era saw them out of first place and in the ps4 era Nintendo had to abort a console in order to use their handheld success to break back into consoles.

If we want to talk other ventures and how they could affect cloud / consoles future I would make the arguement that movies/music/ anime that sony has control over synergizes much better with gaming than Windows or office.

If the average consumer is going to buy a gaming subscription they would most likely add crunchy roll or funimation or sony's movie and music catalog's over adding an office subscription on top.

That is why I'm flabbergasted that the CMA is so worried about Sony's postion in the gaming market. Then you get obvious bias from previous members of the CMA working in other roles in the government that the CMA consults with and you have a very problematic view. Couple that with the UK/EU's history of going after American companies because their own companies have failed to product much if anything in the tech market and it's obvious what they want to do.

The UK and CMA can pass whatever hell scape internet sensor ship they want. As an American I have enough of it here that I don't need them to get involved.
 
In regards to big business. Sony is the big business in the console industry.
That's true, but MS as a whole is the far bigger business which potentially enables them to 'buy in' to competing spaces. eg. They are presently not big in the face paint market versus. It could be argued they could buy Blue Squid and Artiparty and still be smaller than Snazaroo. however, they would have jumped right up to 'competitive' and then be able to leverage their larger presence across all business to then outcompete Snazaroo.

Couple that with the UK/EU's history of going after American companies because their own companies have failed to product much if anything in the tech market
I think this is because the US offered a completely different market. Being the biggest home market with a single language, companies could sell to the home market and make more money than elsewhere. Two companies offering the same experience in a nascent market in the US and UK, the US company would make about 5x more money from the 5x larger population (give or take, lots of details to consider). They can then offer to buy the UK company, or outcompete for another 20% from the English-speaking UK. I think that's largely how it's gone with a lot of businesses and basically gives the US an immediate massive advantage in international business in offering the largest home market. Certainly in computing, the 80s were discrete markets with discrete products, but IBM and MS had such large home market incomes they could ascend other companies (Europe) dealing with 7+ languages to tap the same sort of economics, which was just impossible for small startups.

So basically, America has an advantage which cannot be competed with fairly due to politics and history. It's like a kid who's born massive dominating the football/rugby field - there's nothing the other kids can do but bounce off. So then either people sit back and find where they can compete in niches where it's not just a size-thing, or they introduce rules limiting what the big kid can do to give other kids a chances.
 
Isn't the value in COD and Sony's concerns all for the multiplayer aspect?
I'm sure that's the case yes, I was adding context to why I thought the mobile offerings were franchise knock offs. For me, Call of Duty was always been paid for campaign as I've never been a heavily multiplayer gamer since I left MMOs behind. When I looked at Call of Duty Mobile, it was no campaign, free to download with lots of IAPs so it looked like one of those exploitative P2W experiences.

Just want to add to what Mr Magoo said. It's basically the same on console, PC and mobile. It's a popular F2P title with microtransactions and generates a significant revenue stream.

I had no idea Warzone was a F2P battleroyal game!
 
Perhaps a misunderstanding?
Not a misunderstanding, but likely just bias (strong). I had decided long before this document was released publicly that the reasons provided were bad from previous media releases. So when I read the document, it comes off as hyperbolic and over reaching (game pass should not be a separate market, I don’t see it much different from financing or leasing a vehicle). This is me thinking about how dominant Sony is of course. Literally they fumbled the entire ps3 generation (over priced, late, hard to core for, arrogance) and Xbox held COD and Sony still managed to beat them, and 360 was probably xbox’s best years for content and innovation in the console space.

If I held a different point of view, say I agreed that all consolidation is bad (exceptions granted), then I would see this as agreeable and not over reaching. Shifty provides fairly excellent reasons above, as an aside China does something similar as well, and are catching up quickly in this regard to the US. As a Canadian, I feel the pain of being that permanently smaller market, and what we have is compared to down south. But I think anyone well travelled will show that different models work just as well or better. But if you’re rich AF USA becomes a very desirable place to be.

Back on topic, If I had no inside knowledge of the games industry and you were just reading it, I’d say this was a pretty dire situation if no response was provided by the companies in question.
 
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