Digital Foundry Article Technical Discussion [2021]
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So, Need for Speed: Hot Mess edition?
And it means, that the bug that costs frames on the one x is not solved by double the GPU performance. Funny, that even if you can't see far, the framerate at this specific point drops so far and not even VRR helps.
I thought those huge drops on XSX were interesting, till they showed the X1X version and it just craters there too, even when the camera is facing a rock wall which should cull just about everything.
Perhaps one of the issues facing XSX is that cross gen games are inheriting a 7 year legacy of being a less important platform - and in that respect running X1X versions of games (X1X being the smallest selling home console last gen) might be both a blessing and a curse in terms of what users get.
With a game like Cyberpunk that released unfinished it's hard to imagine X1X, or even Xbox in general was the priority.
I'm not sure whether moving from XDK to GDK would help or hinder in that respect - at least in the short term.
Perhaps one of the issues facing XSX is that cross gen games are inheriting a 7 year legacy of being a less important platform - and in that respect running X1X versions of games (X1X being the smallest selling home console last gen) might be both a blessing and a curse in terms of what users get.
With a game like Cyberpunk that released unfinished it's hard to imagine X1X, or even Xbox in general was the priority.
I'm not sure whether moving from XDK to GDK would help or hinder in that respect - at least in the short term.
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Leadbetter and Linneman seem to enjoy the game. I'm surprised at how well the PS3 version holds up in 2021(!)
I was mostly joking. I'm pretty sure NFS:HP is pretty enjoyable since Criterion developed it.
interesting, I am surprised they resolved this. Will need to wait to see how they resolved it.
Great news, hope somebody does some analysis. Pleasantly surprised, but not that surprised. People forget (because it never gets demoed) Remedy is also making an xbox published exclusive on the same engine, and as a small studio probably cares about platform holder relationships enough to port over any engine improvements they make.
For that reason, I'll be surprised if theres a big compromise -- xbox engine problems make sense to get real solutions, not bandaids.
For that reason, I'll be surprised if theres a big compromise -- xbox engine problems make sense to get real solutions, not bandaids.
*XBSS performance is quite bad in most combat scenes.
*XBSX has a higher internal dynamic resolution but at the cost of performance.
*PS5 is pretty much locked at 60fps and has a bug-related issue with flag physics.
Article: Outriders first look: 60fps is the key upgrade for PS5 and Xbox Series consoles
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DF Article about Outriders Demo @ https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2021-outriders-60fps-is-the-next-gen-difference
Outriders first look: 60fps is the key upgrade for PS5 and Xbox Series consoles
But which machines get closest to the target?
Imagine the cover-shooting mechanics of Gears of War combined with four unique superhero classes and an open world layout with up to three player squads - and basically, that's Outriders. Developed by People Can Fly, the demo is enjoying plenty of attention at the moment - allowing players to test out the first chapter, then roll that progress into the full game due early next month. Within this advance sampler, users get a slice of the story, some side-missions, along with a chance to check out some fiery superpowers. All are hugely satisfying in their own right and combat is fast and dynamic, but it's fair to say that the experience varies significantly by the platform. We checked out the game on Xbox One X for a taster of the last-gen experience, then moved on to the new wave of consoles to see what's what - and the results are intriguing.
The key difference between the generations is very simple - frame-rate. It's worth pointing out here that Outriders isn't a straight 'back compat plus' upgrade as far as we can tell, it is definitely a native PlayStation 5 application, but the overall effect looks pretty similar in that a 30fps experience on the last-gen machines has the frame-rate limiter removed, allowing what is effectively the same game to run at up to 60 frames per second. Xbox One X is the most powerful machine of the prior era, and Outriders is certainly an impressive looking experience: Unreal Engine 4's temporal upscaler delivers a 4K output, but native resolution rendering is dynamic - 1728p at the minimum, 1944p on the maximum.
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Outriders first look: 60fps is the key upgrade for PS5 and Xbox Series consoles
But which machines get closest to the target?
Imagine the cover-shooting mechanics of Gears of War combined with four unique superhero classes and an open world layout with up to three player squads - and basically, that's Outriders. Developed by People Can Fly, the demo is enjoying plenty of attention at the moment - allowing players to test out the first chapter, then roll that progress into the full game due early next month. Within this advance sampler, users get a slice of the story, some side-missions, along with a chance to check out some fiery superpowers. All are hugely satisfying in their own right and combat is fast and dynamic, but it's fair to say that the experience varies significantly by the platform. We checked out the game on Xbox One X for a taster of the last-gen experience, then moved on to the new wave of consoles to see what's what - and the results are intriguing.
The key difference between the generations is very simple - frame-rate. It's worth pointing out here that Outriders isn't a straight 'back compat plus' upgrade as far as we can tell, it is definitely a native PlayStation 5 application, but the overall effect looks pretty similar in that a 30fps experience on the last-gen machines has the frame-rate limiter removed, allowing what is effectively the same game to run at up to 60 frames per second. Xbox One X is the most powerful machine of the prior era, and Outriders is certainly an impressive looking experience: Unreal Engine 4's temporal upscaler delivers a 4K output, but native resolution rendering is dynamic - 1728p at the minimum, 1944p on the maximum.
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In a Reddit post by Outriders devs, the following was said to already been changed in just 1 week:
Resolutions that apply to ALL PLATFORMS:
Resolutions that apply to ALL PLATFORMS:
- Added a Motion Blur Toggle [ALL PLATFORMS]
- Made minor tweaks to frame rate output for certain items in cutscenes, however, we are working on a more comprehensive fix for the future [ALL PLATFORMS]
- Made improvements to cut down on the time it takes to Matchmake [ALL PLATFORMS]
- Made other minor improvements and fixes
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Weird that they did not point out that the lighting seems to be different on PS in comparison to Xbox. Not the first time they skip such differences.
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This seems to be a bit of a trend across a bunch of recent titles and I'm wondering why. This has to be something that is wholly in the control of the developer, you can be as optimistic or conservative as you like regarding your prediction for your target resolution fitting in your frame time.
So weird.
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uhh.. I didn't write that.. lol but lol. yea this is probably a weird trend.This seems to be a bit of a trend across a bunch of recent titles and I'm wondering why. This has to be something that is wholly in the control of the developer, you can be as optimistic or conservative as you like regarding your prediction for your target resolution fitting in your frame time.
So weird.
Gotta wait for more data, not sure what to make of it yet. Perhaps waiting for final release of the game before I waste effort on it. It does look like major differences between the two versions.
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It is pretty much the same thing that happened between Xbox One X and PS4 Pro, so I presume until there will be pure next gen & first party this will happen quite often.This seems to be a bit of a trend across a bunch of recent titles and I'm wondering why. This has to be something that is wholly in the control of the developer, you can be as optimistic or conservative as you like regarding your prediction for your target resolution fitting in your frame time.
So weird.
If its not about the Digital Foundry article, it likely should be discussed in a different thread, perhaps this more open thread @ https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/...cal-discussion-2020-2021-xbsx-s-ps5-pc.62138/
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