Formula 1 - 2015 season

[tongue_of_colicab]

It was a similar move, not the same. Riccarso didn't push anybody in the wall. That said I think he was slightly lucky to get away with it.

Kimi's radio comment was funny though. Did you see what that guy just did? He pushed me off the road, that was not very nice.

 

[Kaotik]

The rules don't really specify that one has to hit the wall for it to count as collision, though

 

[Lightman]

There it goes. Boring race with a bit of controversy!

Good thing come to whom are patient (sometimes).
Great for Nico and championship but a bit devastating for Lewes as he clearly was quicker today.

Kimi very unlucky and tbh I think it was Alonso punishment which was unfair. Drivers have to stick in the imposible gaps to have half a chance of overtake on this silly race track.

 

[Rurouni]

To be fair, if I'm not mistaken, Alonso locked up when he collided and Ricciardo isn't. I'm not 100% sure though.
Anyway, although not on merit, at least the points between Ros and Ham is closer. At least the fight at the front would be more fun especially with the added Ferrari element. I was afraid that Ham would run away with the title.

 

[IainF]

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To be fair, if I'm not mistaken, Alonso locked up when he collided and Ricciardo isn't. I'm not 100% sure though.
Anyway, although not on merit, at least the points between Ros and Ham is closer. At least the fight at the front would be more fun especially with the added Ferrari element. I was afraid that Ham would run away with the title.

I have seen many other drivers get penalised over the years for less than that at Monaco (Hamilton a few years ago bumping into Massa as I recall) and I do think it is inconsistent stewardship between the incident with Alonso and the one with Ricciardo. Personally I would not have penalised either and put it down to racing incidents but I don't really see how you can't punish Ricciardo if you do punish Alonso in that race.

What a balls-up by Mercedes, there is no scenario where Vettel pits during that safety car (except if his tyres were so shot he was in danger of losing several places before the end of the race which was not the case)therefore no scenario where Rosberg would pit and the lead Hamilton had, while comfortable enough was not anything like enough to safely pit and be out in front of the other two. It was even marginal even if not having to hold Hamilton an extra 1.2 seconds in the pits to avoid an unsafe release on Nasr. I actually thought Hamilton's reaction was remarkably restrained given the circumstances afterwards and he was gracious enough during the post race interviews. I am a little surprised Nico was so jubilant post race, I mean yes, he won, but he knows it was gifted to him by circumstances, I would feel like it was a bit hollow if it was me, but then I am not as competitive a personality as these guys all have to be, so maybe I am being a little harsh.

It will be interesting to see if this upsets Hamilton's composure enough that his form drops at Canada and/or that the psychological boost to Rosberg after winning 2 in a row (and a 3rd time at Monaco) will improve his form. That said despite the loss, Hamilton must take some solace in that he was quicker all weekend and in the race despite the result and he does historically go very well in Canada.

 

[tongue_of_colicab]

Soooo verstappen gets a 5 place grid penalty because crashjean is back to his old days of driving others in a wall.

 

[IainF]

Soooo verstappen gets a 5 place grid penalty because crashjean is back to his old days of driving others in a wall.

I have been critical of Grosjean's past driving habits but in this case the video and telemetry don't support the knee-jerk reaction that it must have been his fault. The fact is Max had a fantastic weekend, displayed his massive potential and made a rookie mistake. I have no doubt he is a future contender to be world champion but this was his error.

 

[Bludd]

Hamilton is a real Montreal specialist. If he can't win there, Monaco's controversy must have really got to him. I don't think it has, though. His composure was evident when he said "I am world champion so I have to behave like it."

Now Ferrari and Honda have both confirmed they are using 2 engine tokens, with Honda further confirming the new engine will be in use in Canada. Hopefully this will help Mclaren up a step and maybe Alonso can finish a race for once.

 

[Phil]

I actually wouldn't be surprised if Rosberg somehow snatches another win. Still can't believe he did it in Monaco...

 

[Lightman]

Nice practice sessions today but only tomorrow we will see how much Merc and Ferrari improved their engines. Honda went for reliability, Mercedes improved reliability allowing them to now run in higher power setting for entire race and not only qualifications like previously! So that leaves Ferrari who were rumoured to bring extra 30Bhp and now are saying it's nowhere near as much.

Only Renault will be the same old engine for this race

 

[DJ12]

Mercedes aren't running a new upgraded engine, it's the old spec. (According to sky's coverage earlier) Where did you hear different?

I heard only Ferrari and Honda have used tokens this far, 2 each.

Never mind I found a source, they have 'found a way' to run the engine with more power on long runs without upgrading anything.

Lol, may as well just admit they've been sandbagging for the last year and a bit. Now Ferrari are a touch closer, let's release some of that performance and see if anyone buys our bs.

 

[Lightman]

It was SkyF1 during Practise 1. Apparently Mercedes upgraded engine components without using any tokens! They did it under reliability rules as components were failing during a race if ran at the highest power output. Very clever of them! I wonder how much extra grunt their quali map gives over their old race map ...

I gues it will be MGU-K they redesigned (old KERS) as this is the only part I can remember they had obvious problems with. Remember last years Canadian GP? Both cars lost MGU-K and therefore rear breaks overheated.

 

[DJ12]

I'm pretty sure the reliability thing doesn't exist any more. Honda's used tokens are for reliability, not performance.

I guess it depends on the parts upgraded, but you would've thought anything that would break over a long period of high power would be covered under a token somewhere.

Anyway, I guess they run about 900 bhp in qualifying (given that is what most people think the most powerful engine makes)

I imagine even with their 10~15 bhp upgrade Ferrari are still a long way back from that.

 

[Lightman]

Reliability rule still exists, but if you want to go it's way you have to do it in open fashion by providing your competition with details what exactly will be changed and why. If for instance Honda have to redesign whole component for reliability issues they might choose to do this under token system not to let their competition on too many secrets.

 

[tongue_of_colicab]

Are you sure that information has to be disclosed to the teams as well? I'm under the impression transfer only have to explain to the FIA and now provide further proof as to why a part needs to be redesigned for reliability.

Doesn't really make sense to Let teams in on as to whether another team has legit reasons to redesign a part or not. That would pretty much guarantee no team will ever allow another team to make changes.

 

[Bludd]

The Honda engine sucks so much.

It has no power, it has no reliability and it drinks fuel.

 

[DJ12]

Yeah, what's worse is they don't seem to be able to fix it. They swore it would be better at Canada.

Probably won't be right until next year. Let's hope Alonso doesn't throw in the towel before then.

 

[Bludd]

Yeah, what's worse is they don't seem to be able to fix it. They swore it would be better at Canada.

Probably won't be right until next year. Let's hope Alonso doesn't throw in the towel before then.

I am so dreading it. And now since Red Bull pretty much sucks too, my other favourite driver DannyRic is also not able to perform.

Arrghhjhghg it hurts so much

 

[Dave Baumann]

It was SkyF1 during Practise 1. Apparently Mercedes upgraded engine components without using any tokens! They did it under reliability rules as components were failing during a race if ran at the highest power output. Very clever of them! I wonder how much extra grunt their quali map gives over their old race map ...

Sneaky cut-n-paste from Autosport:

In post-Spanish GP testing Mercedes tried extra cooling for the ERS water radiator mounted over the gearbox.

This set-up used a pair of extra inlets either side of the roll hoop.

It could be presumed the test was a success, because in Canada the team has fitted a larger radiator, which has necessitated a pair of blisters on the engine cover, which itself has been slimmed slightly for this race.

This radiator cools the energy recovery system, which gets heated by the transfer of electrical energy between the MGU-K and the battery.

The reason for the cooler size increase could either be to better manage the energy levels already passing through the system, or to allow a greater rate of energy exchange.

The former would aid reliability and the latter would add more performance.

Its not really altering the engine, its altering the cooling to the ERS to allow it to operate at a higher performance longer (or last the race...)

 

[Gubbi]

Its not really altering the engine, its altering the cooling to the ERS to allow it to operate at a higher performance longer (or last the race...)

That's splitting words, IMO.

Fundamentally a combustion engine is a heat engine which converts a difference of temperature between two reservoirs into mechanical work. Improved cooling allows you to extract more work from the temperature difference; In effect, cooling improvements always give more performance.

Cheers