I'm not sure that proves your point. Perhaps the only reason you can still get preorders in the US is because another 5% of the launch consoles have been redirected there, whereas Sony's stock is spread much thinner over more launch countries?
Business Approach Comparison Sony PS4 and Microsoft Xbox
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Pricing a Bundle with a camera+game is a very smart decision, if the consumer does not differentiate Kinect from PS Eye that 499€ bundle would seem like a better value.
Bundling a nigh useless peripheral doesn't strike me as good value. 
What are buyers of that bundle going to do with the camera? What camera games dose it come with? What motion interface? What voice controls?
What are buyers of that bundle going to do with the camera? What camera games dose it come with? What motion interface? What voice controls?Ons::lob::
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Bundling a nigh useless peripheral doesn't strike me as good value.
I agree on the camera part, but if you look at the side by side comparison the "average" consumer will see Xbox one - camera, controller, and FIFA vs ps4 - camera, 2 controllers, and Killzone.
You get more with the ps4 for the same price.
All we can imply is that XB1 supply relative to demand is higher in the US than the PS4.
But we don't know whether that's due to demand or supply.
(and even that implication is unsafe - it may be that Sony are reserving more consoles for Brick & Mortar sales than MS etc).
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Bundling a nigh useless peripheral doesn't strike me as good value.
Haha, obviously Sony should be offering some features at launch, for example it looks that PS Eye is getting voice recognition...
What i meant is that, although PS4 is cheaper, a lot of consumers think XBONE + Kinect offers a better value even at a higher price. What Sony is doing is promoting doubt saying "Hey, you want voice commands, videochat and so on? Well, here you have a bundle that offers you all that plus a game at the same price of our competitor"
Obviously Kinect is superior to PS Eye, but if the average consumer can't tell the diference, it really doesn't matter much.
It does seem to me that Sony is trying very hard to make sure they have a "Reggie check that box" feature parity at least on paper with MS. But at least to me, they are hurting their own effort by not bundling the camera. I think it and the DS4 LED will become an after thought.
PSEye on PS3 already had a mic array for voice input. Came to nothing.
From a dumb consumer POV, yeah, maybe. But in terms of what you actually get, PS4's camera provides virtually nothing in contrast to XB1's which will be providing some voice input for some countries and others eventually, maybe, and some real Kinect games, all three of 'em, five in the launch window (who'll likely represent half of the total Kinect games released in the next years excluding sequels), plus the potential to maybe augment traditional games which might never happen. So XB1 has a lot more promise in that regard...
Or rather, I think the camera bundle something of a sham by Sony until they prove that money spent on the camera will actually have some decent return.
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PSEye on PS3 already had a mic array for voice input. Came to nothing.
From a dumb consumer POV, yeah, maybe. But in terms of what you actually get, PS4's camera provides virtually nothing in contrast to XB1's which will be providing some voice input for some countries and others eventually, maybe, and some real Kinect games, all three of 'em, five in the launch window (who'll likely represent half of the total Kinect games released in the next years excluding sequels), plus the potential to maybe augment traditional games which might never happen. So XB1 has a lot more promise in that regard...
Or rather, I think the camera bundle something of a sham by Sony until they prove that money spent on the camera will actually have some decent return.
Just to make it clear, i don't disagree with you, but i still think it's a smart business decision and with proper marketing showing some Kinect-like features on PS Eye they could steal some sales from MS.
Doesn't that kind of prove the opposite? The demand for the PS4 has outstripped supply, whilst the XBone still has units up for grabs.
No no no, MS has produced so many XB1 they can't sell them all while Sony has made a small amount of consoles and easily sold them.
Why Sony is doing a 32 country launch is beyond me though.
But we don't know how many units were allocated to each territory do we. Both Sony and MS could have had a million units in America. Sony's sold all of them, MS has sold 3/4. Remember that is was the sight of some of the pre-order numbers that scared MS so much in the beginning. When they were doing that two step dance between insanity and self destruction.
Haha, obviously Sony should be offering some features at launch, for example it looks that PS Eye is getting voice recognition...
I'll believe it when I see it working (well) on a retail PS4 !
Sony does need something exciting to differentiate from the other gadgets releasing this fall. Specializing in core gamers is helpful, but I am hoping they show something palatable to people like my wife too.
Come on, at least show us a preview of the full online experiences. It should be working in Foster City now right ?
EDIT: Yes, yes, I pre-ordered a PSEye.
Indeed. The Toshiba AR face demo way back in the days of Cell excitement pointed to a whole host of advanced experiences that could attract a diverse audience. I'm sure back then we talked about Home having stores where people could go in and try virtual clothes to see how it'd suit them before buying in RL. There's so much more that can be done, the lack of vision by these companies is suffocating!I'll believe it when I see it working (well) on a retail PS4 !
Sony does need something exciting to differentiate from the other gadgets releasing this fall. Specializing in core gamers is helpful, but I am hoping they show something palatable to people like my wife too.
