Go on record and predict Sony and Microsoft next generation systems specifications

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Hi all,

As you may have noticed the "predict the next generation thread" has turned more into a discussion than a place to make "bets".

As we are closing in and as I would expect leaks to intensify after this fall it's the perfect time now for anyone to make his bet.

I would want the thread to make it easy for any one to track one bet be it is own, so I will set rules before hands. I or anybody for that purpose should report offenders (free post discussion), or in a may more civil and sympathetic Pm them and ask them for deletion.

The rules are as follow:
1) this thread is about Sony and MSFT next system. Nintendo system is too close to release betting ain't funny.
2) no explanation. I will make some sort of form people can copy/paste in their posts. Things has to be clear and pretty standardized. Use the form.
3) people are allowed 2 posts (one per system), do separate posts.
4) Post edition is not allowed. Edited posts are going to be discarded. Post deletion is not allowed (play fair).
5) If one wants to discuss one's post link the post the "other prediction thread" and discuss there.
6) the thread should be close after a given time: end of September sounds right (disputable but not here).
7) I've an extra post.
8) this post may be edited.
9) the following acronyms are forbidden: MFLOPS/GFLOPS/TFLOPS many thanks in advance.
10) follow the rules
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Overall system description
Brand: Msft or Sony

number of chips in the system: X
Type: (the main chips, forget south bridge and the like) SOC? CPU? GPU?
Memory layout: I mean UMA? or UMA plus daughter die a la xenon, fast scratch pad memory on the GPU, interposer, bus(es) width, etc.. Explain as shortly and clearly as possible how you expect the different chips to connect to each others and with the memory pool(s).
Amount of memory and types: self explanatory
Mass storage solution: self explanatory.
Number of SKUs and brief description:
Price(s):
NB I pass on optic drive as BRD is a given.

Details:
CPU provider: (I expect a brand here)
Which architecture and ISA: (custom, Jaguar, A15, etc.)
Number of cores: X
Clock speed: Ballpark figure. I set the spread +/-100MHz so answer like: 2.5GHz should be read in between 2.4 and 2.6 ( if you think for example 3.2GHz is the max clock speed go for 3.1GHz)
(NB I pass on cache size, SIMD size)

GPU provider: brand
Number of SIMD: I expect here a number of CUs for AMD and a number SMX for Nvidia.
Answer should read as such:
For AMD X-1/X/X-1. For Nvidia X. So you write 15CUs that means in between 14 and 16 CUs.
(I've give no spread for Nv because there are less granularity in theirs GPUs, a SMX contains more or less x3 the numbers of ALUs as a CU hence the spread).

Number of ROPs: (usually there is less granularity here than for the SIMD) so not spread.
Clock speed: xxx MHz spread is +/-50MHz

Important Notice about arbitration: some parts of the form have spread built in, in case of equality if ones were to predict properly within the ranges allowed, the winners will be the one(s) that had the correct value as its best case scenario. For example If for one is best bet for the cpu speed is 3.2GHz he would have answered 3.1GHz. Same for the CU count, if ones best guess is 18 for example bet 17. I arbitrarily choose so because I assume that the upper range of the spread is actually one's most wanted value.

Here is the condensed and clean form:
Overall system description
Brand:
number of chips in the system:
Type: Memory layout:
Amount of memory and types:
Mass storage solution:
Number of SKUs and brief description:
Price(s):


Details:
CPU provider
:
Which architecture and ISA:
Number of cores:
Clock speed


GPU provider:
Number of SIMD:
Number of ROPs:
Clock speed:
 
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Overall system description
Brand: Sony
number of chips in the system: 1
Type: SOC
Memory layout: UMA design, Wide IO the SOC lays on an interposer.
Amount of memory and types:2 GB DDR4 (2 memory chips on the interposer)
Mass storage solution: HDD
Number of SKUs and brief description: 1 (don't count different size of HDD as SKUs)
Price(s):299$

Details:
CPU provider: AMD
Which architecture and ISA: X86, Jaguar cores
Number of cores: 4
Clock speed: 1.7GHz

GPU provider: AMD
Number of SIMD: 15 (GCN)
Number of ROPs: 24
Clock speed: 750 MHz
 
Overall system description
Brand: Microsoft
number of chips in the system: 3 then 2
Type: 1 SoC, Xenon, GPU
Memory layout: The GPU acts as the northbridge, the SOC and Xenon connect to it though coherent links (ala 360). The GPU includes of ESRAM. 128 bit bus to main RAM
Amount of memory and types: 4GB of DDR4 (4 chips), 32MB of ESRAM (on the GPU).
Mass storage solution: HDD
Number of SKUs and brief description: 1 include Kinect2
Price(s): 399$

Details:
CPU provider: Nvidia and IBM
Which architecture and ISA: A15 and A7, Xenon @45nm
Number of cores: 8 // 2 clusters 4 A15 and 2 A15 + 2 A7. (11 with xenon BC only)
Clock speed: 2,3 GHz (3.2GHz for Xenon)

GPU provider: Nvidia
Number of SIMD: 4 SMX (2 GPC kepler based) for the GPU, tegra4 IGP on the SOC next to the CPU cores.
Number of ROPs: 24 ROPs
Clock speed: 650 MHz
 
I'll play

Overall system description
Brand: Sony
number of chips in the system: 1
Type: AMD SOC
Memory layout: Memory and SOC on Interposer
Amount of memory and types: 3 GB DDR4 on a 192-bit bus @ 120 GB/sec
Mass storage solution: SSD
Number of SKUs and brief description: One with 120 GB SSD
Price(s): $399

Details:
CPU provider: AMD
Which architecture and ISA: X86, Jaguar cores
Number of cores: 4
Clock speed: 2.0 GHz

GPU provider: AMD
Number of SIMD: 16 (GCN)
Number of ROPs: 24
Clock speed: 750 MHz
 
Overall system description
Brand: Microsoft
number of chips in the system: 1
Type: SOC
Memory layout: Main memory plus
Amount of memory and types: 8 GB DDR4 on a 256-bit bus for about 75 GB/s
Mass storage solution: Flash/SSD/HDD
Number of SKUs and brief description: 3 Core No Mass Storage Device. "Gamers" SKU with 120 GB SSD, and a multimedia SKU with 1 TB Drive SKU
Price(s):$299,399

Details:
CPU provider: AMD
Which architecture and ISA: X86, Jaguar cores
Number of cores: 8
Clock speed: 2.0GHz

GPU provider: AMD
Number of SIMD: 10 (GCN)
Number of ROPs: 24 (On separate chip with embedded ram)
Clock speed: 1 GHz
 
Brand: Sony
Number of chips in the system: 1 main chip
Type: SoC
Memory layout: Conventional APU UMA.
Amount of memory and types:4 GB GDDR5 through 256bit interface
Mass storage solution: HDD
Number of SKUs and brief description: 1 (don't count different size of HDD as SKUs)
Price(s):399$

Details:
CPU provider: AMD
Which architecture and ISA: X86, Jaguar cores
Number of cores: 8
Clock speed: 1.7GHz

GPU provider: AMD
Number of CUs: 24 (GCN)
Number of ROPs: 32
Clock speed: 850 MHz
 
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I predict an Intel 80386SX at 25MHz with a Radeon 4670 class GPU.

Cripes! After a bit of research I think Nintendo had the idea first!

The next Xbox and Playstation with clearly come with USB mug warmers in an attempt to attract the Starbucks crowd. Other than that it's hard to say.
 
Overall system description
Brand: Sony
number of chips in the system: 2
Type: SOC + GPU ( external )
Memory layout: Wide IO
Amount of memory and types: 8 GB DDR4
Mass storage solution: HDD+SSD(16-32gb) caching
Number of SKUs and brief description: 1 (don't count different size of HDD as SKUs)
Price(s):299$ - 349$

Details:
CPU provider: AMD
Which architecture and ISA: X86, customised piledriver or steamroller cores
Number of cores: 4-8
Clock speed: 2.0 GHz

GPU provider: AMD
Number of SIMD: 18-28 (GCN external gpu) + 6 ( GCN in SOC)
Number of ROPs: 24-32
Clock speed: 700 - 800 MHz
 
Overall system description
Brand: Microsoft
number of chips in the system: 1
Type: SOC
Memory layout: 8 GB DDR4 + 64 MB ESRAM
Mass storage solution: SSD/HDD
Number of SKUs and brief description: 1
Price : 399 - 499

Details:
CPU provider: AMD
Which architecture and ISA: X86, Jaguar cores
Number of cores: 8
Clock speed: 1.6 GHz

GPU provider: AMD
Number of SIMD: 24 (GCN)
Number of ROPs: 24
Clock speed: 800 MHz
 
Brand: Microsoft
number of chips in the system: 1
Type: SOC
Memory layout: Wide IO / Clamshell DDR4
Amount of memory and types: 8GB DDR4 + Edram
Mass storage solution: HDD
Number of SKUs and brief description: 4
1. Tard pack Subsidized
2. Pro Pack Subsidized
3. Tard pack
4. Pro pack
Price(s): $99, $199, $399, $499

Details:
CPU provider: AMD
Which architecture and ISA: Jaguar x64
Number of cores: 8
Clock speed: 1.6 ghz

GPU provider: AMD
Number of CUs: 16 GCN2
Number of ROPs: ???
Additional Capabilities: yes
Clock speed: 800mhz

+DSPs
 
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Brand: Sony
number of chips in the system: 1
Type: APU
Memory layout: GDDR5 clamshell or DDR stacked
Amount of memory and types: 4GB
Mass storage solution: SSD
Number of SKUs and brief description: 2
Price(s): $299 $399

Details:
CPU provider: AMD
Which architecture and ISA: Jaguar / Steamroller x86
Number of cores: 4
Clock speed: 2.0 ghz+

GPU provider: AMD
Number of CUs: 18 GCN2
Number of ROPs: ???
Clock speed: 800mghz

+DSPs
 
Let's go for broke...

Brand: Microsoft
number of chips in the system: 1
Type: SOC
Memory layout: 256 bit DDR3 2000 MHz
Amount of memory and types: 8GB DDR3 + 64MB eDRAM
Mass storage solution: HDD + 8GB SSD "Cache" Hybrid drive
Optical Media: 12X BD-R drive
Number of SKUs and brief description: 2
1. 250GB HDD
2. 500GB HDD
Price(s): $399, $449

Details:
CPU provider: AMD
Which architecture and ISA: Jaguar x64
Number of cores: 8
Clock speed: 2.0 ghz
Additional Capabilities: yes

Jaguar cores extended to implement AVX2 instructions.

GPU provider: AMD
Number of CUs: 14 GCN2
Number of ROPs: ???
Additional Capabilities: yes
Clock speed: 850mhz

Dedicated SOV hardware for ray tracing capabilities added to GCN2 cores. Audio DSP. Ringbus memory topology.

Foundry: Global Foundries
Process: 28nm FD-SOI



Brand: Sony
number of chips in the system: 1
Type: APU
Memory layout: 1024 bit DDR3 stacked
Amount of memory and types: 4GB
Mass storage solution: HDD (user upgradeable)
Number of SKUs and brief description: 2
1. 250GB HDD
2. 500GB HDD
Price(s): $399, $449

Details:
CPU provider: AMD
Which architecture and ISA: Steamroller x86
Number of cores: 4
Clock speed: 2.8 ghz

GPU provider: AMD
Number of CUs: 18 GCN2
Number of ROPs: ???
Clock speed: 800mhz

Foundry: Global Foundries
Process: 28nm FD-SOI
 
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Brand: Microsoft

Number of chips in the system: 1
Type: SOC
Memory layout: UMA
Amount of memory and types: 8 GB DDR3 128 bit bus, 32 MB ESRAM
Mass storage solution: HDD
Number of SKUs and brief description:3
Price(s): $349,$399,$449

CPU provider: AMD
Which architecture and ISA: Jaguar, x86
Number of cores: 8
Clock speed: ~1.8 GHz

GPU provider: AMD
Number of SIMD: 12 GCN2 CU
Number of ROPs: 16
Clock speed: 850 MHz
Additional: DSP, blitter present on GPU die
 
Brand: Microsoft

Number of chips in the system: 1
Type: SOC
Memory layout: UMA
Amount of memory and types: 8 GB DDR3 128 bit bus, 32 MB ESRAM
Mass storage solution: HDD
Number of SKUs and brief description:3
Price(s): $349,$399,$449

CPU provider: AMD
Which architecture and ISA: Jaguar, x86
Number of cores: 8
Clock speed: ~1.8 GHz

GPU provider: AMD
Number of SIMD: 12 GCN2 CU
Number of ROPs: 16
Clock speed: 850 MHz
Additional: DSP, blitter present on GPU die

Esram would be in GPU according VGLeaks
128bit bus is way too slow.

Otherwise I think you're spot on.
 
Esram would be in GPU according VGLeaks
128bit bus is way too slow.

Otherwise I think you're spot on.

Ah, messed that up, but don't think I'm allowed to edit my post.

128 bit bus will be good enough if media features and not games is the focus for Durango.
 
Ah, messed that up, but don't think I'm allowed to edit my post.

128 bit bus will be good enough if media features and not games is the focus for Durango.

Btw, you also forgot zlib decompressor, hardware scaler ala "HANA", video decoder, arm core for security.
 
When were those confirmed?

Video decoder and scaler were already in 360, good chance they're inside Durango.

Zlib decompressor is in Orbis, good chance it'll be in the Durango.

Arm core was first mentioned by Sweetvar26.
 
Overall system description
Brand: Microsoft
number of chips in the system: 1
Type: AMD SoC
Memory layout: UMA
Amount of memory and types: 8Gb of unified DDR3 (1333-1866MHz) + eDRAM
Mass storage solution: Regular HDD
Number of SKUs and brief description: Two, with different HDD sizes and minor aesthetic differences.
Price(s): $349 & 399

Details:
CPU provider: AMD
Which architecture and ISA: X86, Jaguar cores
Number of cores: 8
Clock speed: 2.0 GHz

GPU provider: AMD
Number of SIMDs: 16 GCN CUs - 1024 SPs
Number of ROPs: 20
Clock speed: 800 MHz
 
Let's go for broke...

Brand: Microsoft
number of chips in the system: 1
Type: SOC
Memory layout: 256 bit DDR3 2000 MHz
Amount of memory and types: 8GB DDR3 + 64MB eDRAM
Mass storage solution: HDD + 8GB SSD "Cache" Hybrid drive
Optical Media: 12X BD-R drive
Number of SKUs and brief description: 2
1. 250GB HDD
2. 500GB HDD
Price(s): $399, $449

Details:
CPU provider: AMD
Which architecture and ISA: Jaguar x64
Number of cores: 8
Clock speed: 2.0 ghz
Additional Capabilities: yes

Jaguar cores extended to implement AVX2 instructions.

GPU provider: AMD
Number of CUs: 14 GCN2
Number of ROPs: ???
Additional Capabilities: yes
Clock speed: 850mhz

Dedicated SOV hardware for ray tracing capabilities added to GCN2 cores. Audio DSP. Ringbus memory topology.

Foundry: Global Foundries
Process: 28nm FD-SOI



Brand: Sony
number of chips in the system: 1
Type: APU
Memory layout: 1024 bit DDR3 stacked
Amount of memory and types: 4GB
Mass storage solution: HDD (user upgradeable)
Number of SKUs and brief description: 2
1. 250GB HDD
2. 500GB HDD
Price(s): $399, $449

Details:
CPU provider: AMD
Which architecture and ISA: Steamroller x86
Number of cores: 4
Clock speed: 2.8 ghz

GPU provider: AMD
Number of CUs: 18 GCN2
Number of ROPs: ???
Clock speed: 800mhz

Foundry: Global Foundries
Process: 28nm FD-SOI

In my opinion,it seems quite "accurated".(except maybe memory layout ps4 ..I'm going with 192GB/sec and some stacked level for 4GB GDDR5..)
 
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