Gravity, when the feeling's gone and you can't go on, it's gravity

[RudeCurve]

Well well well.....looks like there's already a product based on this regenerative acceleration technology out on the market.

Waiting for another stupid response from Grall.....

And Mize enjoy arguing with your strawman.....


Can you say OWNED????

 

[Gerry]

Words fail me. Are you taking the piss?

 

[Grall]

Waiting for another stupid response from Grall.....
Can you say OWNED????

/Facepalm
You're shitting me, right?

Coz the only OWNED here is your own epic self-pwn; regenerative CHARGING - which is what this french electric bike features - is ancient tech and completely different to the unworkable "regenerative acceleration" BS that's been spouted previously in this thread.

So, yeah... Stupid, indeed!

 

[Mize]

= RudeCurve won't take the bet...

Run away RC.

 

[Mize]

OMFG are you kidding me?
Obviously you don't even know what we're talking about.

 

[DuckThor Evil]

Well well well.....looks like there's already a product based on this regenerative acceleration technology out on the market.

Waiting for another stupid response from Grall.....

And Mize enjoy arguing with your strawman.....


Can you say OWNED????

Biggest fail ever?

 

[RudeCurve]

/Facepalm
You're shitting me, right?

Coz the only OWNED here is your own epic self-pwn; regenerative CHARGING - which is what this french electric bike features - is ancient tech and completely different to the unworkable "regenerative acceleration" BS that's been spouted previously in this thread.

So, yeah... Stupid, indeed!

No sh*t Sherlock!

What you can't seem to grasp is that the inventor is using the BionX system with his HV coils to show RA which can also be used for recharging with zero additional prime mover effort....dumb@ss.

He's actually working WITH BionX as we speak to improve their technology.

OWNED!!!!

 

[Grall]

Holy crap... There's no bounds to your stupidity it seems. Reversing an electric engine and using mechanical momentum to turn it into a generator IS NOT NEW TECHNOLOGY OR SOME KIND OF MIRACULOUS BREAKTHROUGH... It's been done for decades already.

Fucking monumental fail, AGAIN.

And I'll point out that at no time does this video make ANY claims whatsoever to be able to charge/'regenerate' while accelerating; it's quite obvious and clear it's the BIKER doing the charging, by pedalling manually. Why the fuck else would you need a battery pack hooked up to the damn thing if the motor produced both mechanical power on the output shaft AND electrical current at once?

Stop being such a trollish asshat. This video shows NOTHING NEW and doesn't support any claims made by that other guy with his perpetual motion machine.

 

[RudeCurve]

Wow...Grall do me a favor and stop foaming at the mouth and watch the video since your kneejerk reactions are clouding your judgement.

You CAN recharge the battery while pedaling and/or during acceleration (same concept as a car alternator) as well as braking (same concept on EVs). The purpose of the battery is to store this recaptured energy for pedal ASSIST. Now, what the inventor is doing with this existing system is to add another form of regeneration in the form of RA. The new technology allows active recharging with no additional pedal effort unlike the existing system. In addition, when you're coasting you can still recharge the battery without any braking effect.

Traditional system: load on motor causes motor to slow down.

New system: load on motor causes motor to speed up.

Visualize two magnets, the closer the magnet the stronger the attraction/repulsion force. Now if you place the magnets just far enough so that they don't pull themselves under their own force you have an energy creating force that only needs a small nudge to get going. Once it gets going there is kinetic energy that is greater than the energy required to get it going. Same principle as a spark used to ignite fuel but unlike fuel a magnet has fuel stored inside the magnet and doesn't need refueling. Another way of looking at is if you try to pry apart two magnets the magnets with fight against your prying. Where does the magnet get this continuos energy to try to get back to equilibrium?????

Think about it....how much work/energy does it take to pry apart two STRONG magnets over and over and over again? Lots of energy. Do this everyday for a year and you'd expend A LOT of energy. Now ask yourself this....where does the magnet get this seemingly never ending energy to repeatedly attract/repulse?????

 

[Mize]

How about that bet RudeCurve?

 

[RudeCurve]

How about that bet RudeCurve?

Ask your scarecrow.

 

[Mize]

Is that supposed to mean something?
So you're adamant that this contraption creates energy, but won't take the bet?
Hmmm...

 

[RudeCurve]

Mize, ponder this.

How much work/energy does it take to pry apart two STRONG magnets over and over and over again? Lots of energy. Do this everyday for a year and you'd expend A LOT of energy. Now ask yourself this....where does the magnet get this seemingly never ending energy to repeatedly attract/repulse?????

It's like gravity....

 

[rendezvous]

Visualize two magnets, the closer the magnet the stronger the attraction/repulsion force. Now if you place the magnets just far enough so that they don't pull themselves under their own force you have an energy creating force that only needs a small nudge to get going. Once it gets going there is kinetic energy that is greater than the energy required to get it going.

Yes, the kinetic energy you get out is greater than than the small nudge you need to start the movement.
The problem is that you fail to look at the whole system, first of all you have to pry apart the magnets and that WILL take at least as much energy as the kinetic energy you get out from the movement.

Same principle as a spark used to ignite fuel but unlike fuel a magnet has fuel stored inside the magnet and doesn't need refueling.
Another way of looking at is if you try to pry apart two magnets the magnets with fight against your prying. Where does the magnet get this continuos energy to try to get back to equilibrium?????

Think about it....how much work/energy does it take to pry apart two STRONG magnets over and over and over again? Lots of energy. Do this everyday for a year and you'd expend A LOT of energy. Now ask yourself this....where does the magnet get this seemingly never ending energy to repeatedly attract/repulse?????

When you pry the magnets apart you add potential energy, in the same way as you lift an object from the ground, This energy comes from your body.
When you let go of the magnets they will accelerate towards each other and the potential energy gets converted to kinetic energy. When they finally hit the energy will be converted to heat.

The seemingly infinite source of energy you are asking for is from your body, which in its turn needs food food which in its turn will need energy from the sun to grow.

 

[Grall]

Wow...Grall do me a favor and stop foaming at the mouth and watch the video since your kneejerk reactions are clouding your judgement.

I have watched the video. At no point does it make any claims about recharging the battery with no additional effort. AT NO POINT.

Quite the opposite in fact, as the video clearly shows you have to switch the contraption FROM pedal assist over to recharging mode.

You CAN recharge the battery while pedaling and/or during acceleration (same concept as a car alternator)

Connecting an alternator to a car engine does not make it speed up though... It slows down. And recharging a (partially) electric bike makes it harder to pedal. It's the way it's always been and always will be. Tanstaafl, you know?

Now, what the inventor is doing with this existing system is to add another form of regeneration in the form of RA.

...Which does not exist, because it violates the laws of physics. We've been over this already.

Now if you place the magnets just far enough so that they don't pull themselves under their own force you have an energy creating force that only needs a small nudge to get going.

Except this isn't actually the case. Magnets are NOT sources of energy regardless of how you position them in relation to each other or otherwise. Ask any physicist, they'll confirm this.

Once it gets going there is kinetic energy that is greater than the energy required to get it going.

No there isn't.

Besides, what do you mean, "get going"?

Same principle as a spark used to ignite fuel but unlike fuel a magnet has fuel stored inside the magnet and doesn't need refueling.

Magnets don't have any "fuel" in them, because they aren't sources of energy. If they did have fuel in them they would run out of it very quickly as soon as you put them to work, as there's no such thing as free energy.

Another way of looking at is if you try to pry apart two magnets the magnets with fight against your prying. Where does the magnet get this continuos energy to try to get back to equilibrium?????

Logical fallacy... The magnets aren't doing any of the "fighting". You are! Again, ask any physicist. If you stick a magnet on an iron ceiling the magnet isn't expending infinite fuel fighting gravity. It just sits there; there's no change. It doesn't heat up, move about, or anything. You could just as well have glued it to the ceiling and the effect would be the same: it doesn't produce any actual work. It doesn't produce any work because (again), magnets aren't sources of energy. (Ask any physicist.)

It's like the standard W=F*d; if d (distance) is zero then the work is zero also.

 

[RudeCurve]

Yes, the kinetic energy you get out is greater than than the small nudge you need to start the movement.
The problem is that you fail to look at the whole system, first of all you have to pry apart the magnets and that WILL take at least as much energy as the kinetic energy you get out from the movement.


When you pry the magnets apart you add potential energy, in the same way as you lift an object from the ground, This energy comes from your body.
When you let go of the magnets they will accelerate towards each other and the potential energy gets converted to kinetic energy. When they finally hit the energy will be converted to heat.

The seemingly infinite source of energy you are asking for is from your body, which in its turn needs food food which in its turn will need energy from the sun to grow.

You are only looking at it from the point of kinetic energy. The attractive force is never ending, that is also energy whether you pry the magnets apart or not there is a constant force. If you lift an object it gains potential energy, sure...that has nothing to do with the energy that is gravity which is never ending. Gravity is everywhere applying a force on everything whether these things have been lifted or not. Are you saying gravity is not a form of energy?

In other words if you take two objects and put one on the left and one on the right without lifting it you used energy to do that work but the two objects that you moved has no potential energy whatsoever yet gravity is appying a constant force on those two objects.

Now, with regards to magnets in a motor, you don't need to pry the magnets apart because the motor works with electricity. You only need a little bit of electricity at the right time to "nudge" the motor to move. With an ideal magnet configuration and the right timing for the pulses you could keep the motor moving with very little energy. It's like a pendulum in a clock that needs very little energy to keep it swinging.

 

[rendezvous]

Are you saying gravity is not a form of energy?

Exactly!
May the force be with you.

 

[RudeCurve]

I have watched the video. At no point does it make any claims about recharging the battery with no additional effort. AT NO POINT.

Of course it doesn't that's why the new RA technology is being tested on the existing system so that no ADDITIONAL pedal effort is needed.

Quite the opposite in fact, as the video clearly shows you have to switch the contraption FROM pedal assist over to recharging mode.

Of course as I said the EXISTING system requires pedal effort to overcome the resistance of recharing the battery.

Connecting an alternator to a car engine does not make it speed up though... It slows down. And recharging a (partially) electric bike makes it harder to pedal. It's the way it's always been and always will be. Tanstaafl, you know?

Of course it slows down that's what what I said..eg traditional system motor slows down under load. With these unconvential HV coils the motor speeds up, that's why it's different and a break through.

...Which does not exist, because it violates the laws of physics. We've been over this already.

Of course it exist, the guy invented it and not even a PhD from MIT could dispprove it or sucessfully explain it.

Except this isn't actually the case. Magnets are NOT sources of energy regardless of how you position them in relation to each other or otherwise. Ask any physicist, they'll confirm this.

So gravity is not a source of energy? So how do the planets orbit the sun? Without gravity the planets would fly away from the sun.

Magnets don't have any "fuel" in them, because they aren't sources of energy. If they did have fuel in them they would run out of it very quickly as soon as you put them to work, as there's no such thing as free energy.

Well then gravity doesn't have "fuel" either but somehow it's able to fuel a mysterious force to keep the planets from flying off.

Logical fallacy... The magnets aren't doing any of the "fighting". You are! Again, ask any physicist. If you stick a magnet on an iron ceiling the magnet isn't expending infinite fuel fighting gravity. It just sits there; there's no change. It doesn't heat up, move about, or anything. You could just as well have glued it to the ceiling and the effect would be the same: it doesn't produce any actual work. It doesn't produce any work because (again), magnets aren't sources of energy. (Ask any physicist.)

Actually the magnets ARE fighting against the force that you exert to pry it apart. If the magnets aren't fighting then you wouldn't need a CONTINOUS force to pry it apart. They wouldn't be magnets if they didn't fight against the force you exert, they'd just be nonmagnetized pieces of metal.

It's like the standard W=F*d; if d (distance) is zero then the work is zero also.

Going by your logic an electric motor doesn't do any work when fed electric pulses.

 

[Grall]

Are you saying gravity is not a form of energy?

Gravity is the word we humans use to represent what is actually curvature in space-time. Calling it a form of energy is roughly as correct as calling a hill a source of energy. You may get energy out of it by rolling an object down it, but the process gives no more energy out of it than you put in (less, when you count friction and other losses).

Magnets work on exactly the same principle I might add. Anything you get out of them is no greater (and pretty much unavoidably less actually) than what you put in. They're not infinite batteries in any way, shape or form any more than a gravity well is an infinite battery.

In other words if you take two objects and put one on the left and one on the right without lifting it you used energy to do that work but the two objects that you moved has no potential energy whatsoever yet gravity is appying a constant force on those two objects.

With an ideal magnet configuration and the right timing for the pulses you could keep the motor moving with very little energy.

Then the magnets serve no purpose, because the electric energy needed to keep the rotor spinning is by neccessity going to be at least equal (due to resistance, friction etc) to the repellation force of the magnets, or the rotor would stop on its own.

Also, as soon as you load the axle the motor would of course stop spinning. ...Unless you ramp up on the electric current, of course like with any ol' electric motor we've designed and built in the last ~150 years-ish.

It's like a pendulum in a clock that needs very little energy to keep it swinging.

The pendulum of a clock swings with very little energy because there's almost no resistance to its movement.

 

[RudeCurve]

Exactly!
May the force be with you.

And you've proven this how?

So it takes zero energy to keep the planets from flying off into space?