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nightshade · Feb 11, 2014

Inuhanyou said:
its 720p, if you count the black bars. Black bars are a performance saving trick that allows for less being rendered with no grimy upscaling. Its also being used in Order 1886.

Anyone has any idea how does the performance compare when you run the game at full 720p in a hacked PS3?

Icaro · Feb 14, 2014

djskribbles said:
I stole some 1080p screenshots from google image search, resized them to 720p and cropped the black bars and got 1280x549 (2.33 AR).

That is what i looking for. Thanks for the info to all :smile2:

AlNom · Feb 14, 2014

djskribbles said:
I stole some 1080p screenshots from google image search, resized them to 720p and cropped the black bars and got 1280x549 (2.33 AR).

It's supposed to be 1280x544.

edit: Here's a native capture http://playstationer.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/GAME_MODE_1377023345.jpg

544 makes more sense anyway due to pixel alignment.

djskribbles · Feb 14, 2014

AlNets said:
It's supposed to be 1280x544.

edit: Here's a native capture http://playstationer.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/GAME_MODE_1377023345.jpg

544 makes more sense anyway due to pixel alignment.

Using that screen I got 544.

Devious · Apr 26, 2014

Been playing Warface on the Xbox 360, real fun game especially in co-op. Just lags a lot though. Guess some hiccups are to be expected in a free-to-play game.

Anyone got a native resolution for this game? Image quality looks real soft. Can't seem to find any screens for this game though. I'll keep digging.

TomRL · Apr 28, 2014

Anyone know the AA in PS4 Octodad?

Shortbread · Apr 28, 2014

TomRL said:
Anyone know the AA in PS4 Octodad?

http://www.destructoid.com/octodad-dadliest-catch-270878.phtml
It uses NAA (Nice Anti-Aliasing)! It puts all others to shame. :yep2:

Sorry, I couldn't find anything official, other than nice.

Globalisateur · Apr 28, 2014

TomRL said:
Anyone know the AA in PS4 Octodad?

From a few jpgs from gamersyde I would say it's a regular FXAA.

But as the game do not have high resolution textures and is rather low poly, FXAA is quite suited for this game.

TomRL · Aug 21, 2014

I can't imagine that it's FXAA. The framerate is rarely 60fps and the game isn't demanding at all. It simply must be the AA.

Dave Glue · Aug 26, 2014

TomRL said:
I can't imagine that it's FXAA. The framerate is rarely 60fps and the game isn't demanding at all. It simply must be the AA.

Or the port isn't optimized from a CPU perspective, no reason to assume a GPU bottleneck.

Rangers · Sep 5, 2014

Shifty Geezer · Sep 5, 2014

Rangers said:
Shadowfall 960X1080 Multiplayer.

Are we calling adaptive resolution half res now? Is that what things have sunk to? Edit : I suppose it's more a fancy upscale, so it's fair enough. Just a bit disingenuous to the complex work of the devs and, my pet peeve, reducing a game's visuals down to a single non-representative metric.

Karamazov · Sep 5, 2014

with their "trick" in KZ SF MP, doesn't the game still is 1080p when you don't move ?

Shifty Geezer · Sep 5, 2014

Right. It's capable of a true 1080p frame at times. So it's not clear. It's certainly not comparable to a standard 960x1080 FB upscaled with a horizontal stretch. Worst case is something like 960x1080 interlaced horizontally. Technically though, it renders a 960x1080 buffer each frame, so on that metric alone in isolation it does count as a 960x1080 game in multiplayer.

Scott_Arm · Sep 5, 2014

Karamazov said:
with their "trick" in KZ SF MP, doesn't the game still is 1080p when you don't move ?

I think that's the vita game.

Globalisateur · Sep 5, 2014

Rangers said:
Well I dont know where to drop this, hopefully this is the best thread. Here is my list of resolutions I can find for X1 games, at least the ones that are decently confirmed, most of the time by Digital foundry. Also, a smaller list of the titles on PS4 that are known to be less than 1080P.

The main purpose of posting this I guess was to see if people could add anything.

Not all of these are released, but most of them are, so it seems better here than in the unreleased thread. Could also go in the DF thread maybe.

Yes I can do that:

Wolfenstein should be put in the sub-1080 category because of its dynamic / adaptive resolution... on both consoles.

Tomb Raider DE XB1 too as it has some levels (during gameplay yes) running at an "adapted" 900P resolution.

Finally, we could add what sacrifices it had to be made in order to reach such resolution:

- Sniper Elite 3 XB1 1080p (but at the cost of constant screen tearing)

Or what about all those games with temporal supersampling? Do we need a 1080p@2X category for them?

Finally, if we take into account the resolution of varied buffers like low res shadows, I think only a few games could really be put into each category except if the game uses temporal supersampling in the same time?

(0.5 (half res shadows) * 2 (temporal supersampling)) * 1080p = 1080p

shredenvain · Sep 6, 2014

I still have not seen any proof that TRDE on X1 runs at 900p during gameplay. Im not saying you are wrong Global I just have not seen or heard this from anywhere else.

Also about the list. What about Madden 14 and 15 ? Also Lego Marvel and Halo spartan assault.
Anyone know what res Warframe runs on the X1?

Rangers · Sep 6, 2014

Wolfenstein should be put in the sub-1080 category because of its dynamic / adaptive resolution... on both consoles.

Well I guess that's an editorial decision

I chose to put it 1080, with a asterisk in parentheses. A few games have this, obviously TR, and there's the game with a +, which was because DF says it's actually rendering >1080 and down scaling. I guess suffice it to say the baseline to which the game returns is 1080 in Wolfenstein case...so I put it in 1080. If it happens a lot (which I doubt it will given the current discussion on that) maybe a separate "dynamic" category would be warranted

Tomb Raider DE XB1 too as it has some levels (during gameplay yes) running at an "adapted" 900P resolution.

I haven't seen proof of this, the one instance of gameplay people claimed was 900 (on this forum, probably you) I found proof from a longer clip of the scene, is DIRECTLY coming out of a cutscene within a second or two, so probably just a glitch or the engine was taking a moment to switch 900>1080. But if you have more proof by all means...IIRC DF had dozens and dozens of X1 gameplay pics in their gallery and not one <1080 that I know of.

Finally, we could add what sacrifices it had to be made in order to reach such resolution:

- Sniper Elite 3 XB1 1080p (but at the cost of constant screen tearing)

Ehh, it's just resolution, essentially in vacuum as if XOne was the only platform that exists. The sacrifices thing could be interesting I guess, but then also gets subjective. But I guess if you want to be more detailed for your own list that would be cool.

Finally, if we take into account the resolution of varied buffers like low res shadows, I think only a few games could really be put into each category except if the game uses temporal supersampling in the same time?

(0.5 (half res shadows) * 2 (temporal supersampling)) * 1080p = 1080p

Sounds above my pay grade

Rangers · Sep 6, 2014

shredenvain said:
I still have not seen any proof that TRDE on X1 runs at 900p during gameplay. Im not saying you are wrong Global I just have not seen or heard this from anywhere else.

Also about the list. What about Madden 14 and 15 ? Also Lego Marvel and Halo spartan assault.
Anyone know what res Warframe runs on the X1?

Well, my main resources are DF, the IGN wikia and it's attendant citations (which I sometimes reject as inconclusive), and plain old google. In the case of Madden, I also assumed they are 1080 on X1 and they probably are (then again, NHL being apparently 900 was an eye opener), but I didn't find any explicit proof of that (in my rather cursory search) and DF didn't pixel count them, so I left them off for now. The other games I'll look into...or if anybody has anything...

It's likely most non demanding games are 1080P of course, but without explicit proof they aren't added to the list.

If anybody cares I believe over 50% of the list is 1080P, more than 900 and 720 combined. A caveat though, more of the most demanding triple A 3D high budget retail titles appear to be <1080 (stands to reason).

Edit: couldn't find anything for Warframe, but Spartan Assault definitely seems 1080 as expected http://www.gamestop.com/xbox-one/dlc/halo-spartan-assault/113354.

Product Details:

Graphical Fidelity. "Halo: Spartan Assault" on Xbox One will run natively at 1080p resolution and 60 frames per second

. And also found many other references to this on the web as it appeared to be a marketing talking point. Added.

Lego Marvel also has a DF article not sure how I missed it --->>http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-lego-marvel-super-heroes-next-gen-face-off Added@1080P.

dah145 · Sep 16, 2014

FH2 has one of the cleanest image quality I've seen on consoles:

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What AA solution are they using?

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