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24-Mar-2004, 02:02
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24-Mar-2004, 04:08
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I didn't really mean to emphasize essential, so much as include it with the rest of the emphasis that SsP45 put in place.
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24-Mar-2004, 04:52
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Slightly OT now:
Anyone remember Jedi Outcast? OpenGL game, based on the Q3 engine. This is (for me) the prime example of a CPU-bound game. Take a look: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1735&p=8 3 fps difference between 10x7 to 16x12... that is cpu-bound. http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1619&p=9 Look at the CPU scaling graph there... The MX400 is clearly maxed out, but everything else is CPU limited. The 7500 hits a wall at about 1533 mhz in which it goes no higher, becoming gpu limited. In conclusion, UT2k4 is not cpu-bound. At high resolutions, the burden is mostly on the GPU and system bandwidth. We now return to our scheduled thread. 
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24-Mar-2004, 06:16
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That was also a significantly slower CPU than most benchmarks today use.
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24-Mar-2004, 08:50
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24-Mar-2004, 15:44
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24-Mar-2004, 20:17
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About 20 pages ago people were arguing that Nature in 3dmark2001 was capped by the video card ( I can't be bothered to find it
 )Here's some results on a P4 running at 3400Mhz on 875i with 5800 video card 640x480 122.8 fps 800x600 94.7 fps 1024x768 64.3 fps 1600x1200 30.8 fsp It's not capped at all on a P4, at least above 640x480. It might be at 640x480 but I did not have a lower resolution to test it with. I still can't decide whether 36k is valid or not for 3dmark2001, but you can't shoot it out of the sky with a cpu capped nature and dragothic theory. Cheers Andy |
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24-Mar-2004, 21:14
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overclock your gpu leaving cpu at default clock, then overclock the cpu with gpu at default clocks and run both tests at 1600x1200
it would probably be easier on an amd since you have access to lower multipliers without having to factor in the effects of the fsb |
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24-Mar-2004, 21:18
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While we are on CPU limitations. Why is Comanche 4 so CPU limited? I ran some benches at 640,1024, and 1280 and I got around 38-39 avg FPS for all three tests? Why? When I turned AA at 1280 I got around 35 fps.
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24-Mar-2004, 21:30
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Flight sims are frequently more CPU-limited than FPS's. Why? Well, I guess it's either the AI, the flight physics, or both.
Why AI? Well, I can imagine how it'd be more complex to make an AI that believably flies aircraft, and knows how to actually get from point A to point B at the same time. Why physics? Well, the flight models can be very complex, for a good flight sim. The amount of lift and drag on the aircraft can change dramatically depending upon altitude, airspeed, angle of attack, etc. I'm sure helicopters are similarly complex.
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24-Mar-2004, 21:38
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Commache 4 is not really a sim as such and I doubt its physics are the same as something like Lock On or Falcon 4.
It is possible Commanche 4 was poorly programmed.. 
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12-Apr-2004, 18:34
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8) hi there just wait 30 hours and see
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12-Apr-2004, 18:38
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The next 48 hours are going to be a BLAST!!!! 
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12-Apr-2004, 19:29
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 maybe for the NV50 I'll be there 8)
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12-Apr-2004, 19:32
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I'm so excited I just peed my pants!
No, but really. I'm excited in the way only geeks can get excited over the launch of a new GPU architecture 8) |
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12-Apr-2004, 19:36
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12-Apr-2004, 19:42
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Isn't is that you get wood over new computer games, not a new GPU?
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12-Apr-2004, 19:45
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Oh god please don't let me lose my bet with uttar....... please please please..........
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Just guessing. Caps edit: darn it Martrox- thats what I get for not reading the next page. Please excuse rerun joke.
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 I wouldn't want to be there anyways, I want to be where I am online bouncing around all the different sites seeing what the what is...and tomorrow is my first day off in weeks! 8)
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12-Apr-2004, 20:29
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Looser ...
I don't even have a job, beat that ! Wait, does being the CEO of my own company count ?
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