[Unknown Soldier]

Cebit's been running since Tuesday 16th March but we've still not heard any news yet. Oops My bad. Cebit started today the 18th March

Post links here maybe?

http://www.cebit.de/homepage_e?x=1

Thanks
US

[christoph]

http://www.computerbase.de/news/hard...nv40_14_april/

Hieß es zur CeBit 2003 noch, der NV40 könnte eventuell noch vor Weihnachten auf
dem Markt kommen, verzögerte sich der Launch bekanntermaßen die letzten Monate.
Nun soll der Startschuss nicht zur CeBIT 2004 sondern am 14. April fallen.

Derzeit sieht es mit Mustern jedoch noch mau aus und es ist damit zu rechnen,
dass nach der offiziellen Vorstellung erst die Quadro-Reihe auf dem Markt erscheint
und dann so langsam die Konsumer-Chips in den Handel gelangen.
Wir halten die Augen auf jeden Fall offen

[epicstruggle]

The Inq has a few cebit articles. One of the more interesting things, IMO, was this tid bit:

AMD also showed off an implementation of its data security NX flag, which will be included in SP2 of Windows XP. This essentially prevents that nasty cruddy trojan stuff from messing up our existences which no doubt are filled with light and music.

An extra window appears in the Control Panel under properties, advanced, performance, offering data execution protection. When a nasty bit of code is loaded into memory, this kicks in and closes the application. Users can switch it off, but then why would anyone want to.

The AMD executives said that firms such as Sophos, Macafee and Symantec had generally welcomed the introduction of this bit of CPU wizardry. Intel must be able to do this too. It might be a good idea if that was sooner rather than later.

anyways, hope its true,
later,
epic

[Ante P]

14th sounds a bit late.

[Guden Oden]

Originally Posted by epicstruggle

anyways, hope its true

What do you mean 'hope it's true'? Athlon64 and opterons do have this feature, as does the Itanic. Not that anyone's written a virus that tries to exploit buffer overflows yet for IA64 to my knowledge...

[epicstruggle]

Originally Posted by Guden Oden

What do you mean 'hope it's true'? Athlon64 and opterons do have this feature, as does the Itanic. Not that anyone's written a virus that tries to exploit buffer overflows yet for IA64 to my knowledge...

my hope its true coment was direct towards the implement in sp2 part.

later,
epic

[Tim Murray]

I'd much rather have concurrent sessions (e.g., a local user and a user running Remote Desktop can use the machine simultaneously) than that NX flag. Don't know how useful it would be; I think apps still have to support it (it's not automagic).

[digitalwanderer]

I'm actually thinking we'll be seeing a paper launch of the nV40 at CeBit, there's too many rumors of the nV40 being premiered "a lot sooner than you'd think!" and I just don't see 'em having any working silicon until at least May so I figure they're going to pull another paper launch a few months early to try and steal some of R420's thunder.

[davepermen]

Originally Posted by The Baron

I'd much rather have concurrent sessions (e.g., a local user and a user running Remote Desktop can use the machine simultaneously) than that NX flag. Don't know how useful it would be; I think apps still have to support it (it's not automagic).

it's quite automagic.

the code segment of an exe gets it set to be executable data, the stack and the heap get it set to be non-executable.

done.

and apps that do create own executable code yet now have to register that memory in windows, and set the flag. it's just, till now, hw didn't bothered about it.

but yes, some apps will possibly need some patches, at least to make the feature more precious working at specific situations.

but yes, by default, it's about automagic.



how useful it is? well. no blaster-like crap-apps. most of the bugs existing removed, together with the recompilation for array-bounds-checkings.

i for myself hated blaster. it was the only virus that ever affected me. though, i was saved from him, but i killed my windows short after, and reinstallment of windows including downloading service-packs and then install the patch against blaster was quite a nightmare if i had to stay online that whole time and got blaster onto my system again each second...

bah those where the days.


we'll see what new sorts of bugs can get exploited. but the biggest faults get patched once and for all now with sp2. and thats definitely a good thing.

and we, as end users, won't even note, as it's automagic.

[Tim Murray]

Originally Posted by digitalwanderer

I'm actually thinking we'll be seeing a paper launch of the nV40 at CeBit, there's too many rumors of the nV40 being premiered "a lot sooner than you'd think!" and I just don't see 'em having any working silicon until at least May so I figure they're going to pull another paper launch a few months early to try and steal some of R420's thunder.

I doubt we'll see another two-month-early paper launch from NVIDIA. Makes no sense; they know it's PR suicide.

[RussSchultz]

Originally Posted by digitalwanderer

...and I just don't see 'em having any working silicon until at least May ...

What would lead you to believe that, other than your belief?

[digitalwanderer]

Originally Posted by RussSchultz

What would lead you to believe that, other than your belief?

A beautiful little golden bird with wings of light and quickness who speaks to me in a sing-song language all our own of music, sound, and joy told me.

Why?

[MuFu]

They definitely have working silicon right now (of the "new" NV40 if you like).

[christoph]

http://www.computerbase.de/news/hard...ues_nv40_r420/

CeBIT: Neues vom nV40 und R420

Während zu nVidias neuestem Pixelbeschleuniger bereits ein konkreter
Veröffentlichungstermin bekannt ist, war es um ATis R420 bisher recht leise.
Im Herzen Hannovers auf der CeBIT gibt es hinter verschlossenen Türen jedoch weit mehr zu sehen, als der Otto-Normal-Besucher zu Gesicht bekommt.

So sickerte aus verlässlicher Quelle durch, dass auch die Kanadier
ihren neuesten Chip im April launchen - offensichtlich nahezu zeitgleich
mit Erzkonkurrent nVidia, die den 14. April als Produktstart anvisiert haben.
Mitte April scheint also die nächste Runde im Kampf um den schnellsten Grafikchip
der Welt in eine neue Runde zu gehen.

Zudem können wir nun bestätigen, dass der R420 mit insgesamt zwölf Pipelines
ausgeliefert werden wird. Der nV40 aus dem Hause nVidia wird es derweil wohl nicht
auf 16x1 oder 8x2 Pipelines bringen, besitzt aber einen integrierten Hardware-Decoder.
Zudem scheint sich bei beiden Firmen kein Paperlaunch abzuzeichnen. Uns gegenüber
versicherten einige Hersteller aller Coleur, dass rechtzeitig zum Launch eine Vielzahl
an Karten vieler Hersteller verfügbar sein wird. Mit ersten Samples ist schon in naher
Zukunft zu rechnen.

[nutball]

Originally Posted by The Baron

I'd much rather have concurrent sessions (e.g., a local user and a user running Remote Desktop can use the machine simultaneously) than that NX flag. Don't know how useful it would be; I think apps still have to support it (it's not automagic).

If they manage this, you know they'll claim it's the first time it's been done. Microsoft X-Windows XP, they'll call it

[[maven]]

Originally Posted by nutball

If they manage this, you know they'll claim it's the first time it's been done. Microsoft X-Windows XP, they'll call it

IMO that'd be quite easy to do, they just don't want to do it (so that they can sell more terminal server licenses).

[Tim Murray]

Actually, there was supposed to be concurrent session support, and then it was "officially" removed before SP2 hit beta. However, it's apparently possible to enable it using a reg key. Good to know.

[Evildeus]

Originally Posted by MuFu

They definitely have working silicon right now (of the "new" NV40 if you like).

Yeah it seems
And there's a bit of information on the other parts also (they say 2 times faster than previous gen)

NVIDIA, tout comme ATI, n'a pas choisi le Cebit pour annoncer ses nouveaux produits. Nous avons cependant pu voir tourner un exemplaire de leur prochaine génération de GPU. Il semble donc fonctionnel et le lancement devrait se faire en avril comme l'avait récemment laissé entendre le CEO de NVIDIA.

Un partenaire de NVIDIA a pu nous donner quelques informations sur la gamme NV4x. En sus de la version haut de gamme, trois déclinaisons devraient être lancées : NV41, NV43 et NV44, qui seraient ainsi respectivement deux fois plus performantes que les NV38, NV36 et NV34 (5950, 5700 et 5200).

8)
http://www.hardware.fr/news/lire/18-03-2004/

So if NV41 is 2 times faster than NV38, how much is NV40?

[RussSchultz]

Originally Posted by digitalwanderer

A beautiful little golden bird with wings of light and quickness who speaks to me in a sing-song language all our own of music, sound, and joy told me.

Why?

Just trying to determine if it was a baseless assertation that sprung forth from nothing but a figmentary golden bird that whispers in your ear only.

[Evildeus]

Originally Posted by digitalwanderer

I just don't see 'em having any working silicon until at least May so I figure they're going to pull another paper launch a few months early to try and steal some of R420's thunder.

Well, hopefully for Nv, it seems that you were wrong

[digitalwanderer]

Originally Posted by Evildeus

Well, hopefully for Nv, it seems that you were wrong

Ok, now would everyone PLEASE stop PMing me with the bloody clockspeeds and specs? I GET IT!

[Evildeus]

I was not at the Cebit :P so, no i can't

[ZoinKs!]

Originally Posted by digitalwanderer

Ok, now would everyone PLEASE stop PMing me with the bloody clockspeeds and specs? I GET IT!

Well, I haven't gotten it yet... let the kitten out of the bag! :P

[hjs]

Have you seen these already? Pics taken of some roadmaps made at Cebit

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and the S3 DeltaChrome F1 should be launced at the same time as the R420, and with the same performance !!

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[Skinner]

Nice roadmap HJS

ps, ruim je alles goed op?