[John Reynolds]

http://windsofchange.net/archives/004722.php

Comments?

[digitalwanderer]

That makes the score what now, 2-0 with the bad guys ahead?

[epicstruggle]

Originally Posted by digitalwanderer

That makes the score what now, 2-0 with the bad guys ahead?

I dont know if thats how i would read the score board. We are not in the loop about all the victories/captures we have had. So who knows how many we killed/captured already.

On the other hand, this was a clear score for the terrorists.

later,
epic

[Joe DeFuria]

Originally Posted by John Reynolds

http://windsofchange.net/archives/004722.php

Comments?

Other than I agree with much of it, not really.

[Joe DeFuria]

Originally Posted by epicstruggle

I dont know if thats how i would read the score board. We are not in the loop about all the victories/captures we have had. So who knows how many we killed/captured already.

Right.

It's basically impossible to keep score so-to-speak, because we "score" only when the status-quo (no successful attacks) is maintained.

[digitalwanderer]

Originally Posted by epicstruggle

I dont know if thats how i would read the score board. We are not in the loop about all the victories/captures we have had. So who knows how many we killed/captured already.

On the other hand, this was a clear score for the terrorists.

later,
epic

Really? It's pretty clear cut how I read it. They've had two stunningly successful attacks, we haven't had any.

Did I miss something?

[John Reynolds]

The only real glaring error in the article that's occurred to me is the failure to address the potential swing vote generated by the Popular party so quickly blaming the ETA for the bombings.

[pax]

http://www.sltrib.com/2004/mar/03152...a/commenta.asp

I think Gwynn pretty much says it all here.

[Legion]

Originally Posted by pax

http://www.sltrib.com/2004/mar/03152004/commenta/commenta.asp

I think Gwynn pretty much says it all here.

Yep sums it up nicely. A few people out of every 100,000 are expendable. Right.

[Dave Baumann]

Originally Posted by John Reynolds

The only real glaring error in the article that's occurred to me is the failure to address the potential swing vote generated by the Popular party so quickly blaming the ETA for the bombings.

According to many UK news broadcasts this is what quite a large swing. Evidently (much like the UK) there was a fair amount of dissatisfaction with the populace in the "spin" from the government - generally they felt manipulated by the governments messaging and that many of the inquireries went the governments way (way, that doesn't happen in the UK at all! ). The jump on the ETA bandwagon probably swung the vote quite significantly as it only servered to heighten the feeling that this was more manipulation.

[Geeforcer]

In this WP article, they go in detail regarding campaign of "Blame ETA" the party launched. However, I am afraid the reason why Spanish voted the government out and what Al-Qiuda thinks happed are two different things. In other words, terrorists will think they won regardless of underlying reasons.

[pax]

LOL not expendable. He doesnt say that. He merely says that europeans who have known terrorism for decades know how to deal with it better than NA who can be seen as overeacting a bit.

[epicstruggle]

Originally Posted by digitalwanderer

They've had two stunningly successful attacks, we haven't had any.

Did I miss something?

The fact that you havent missed a thing should clue you in. We have prevented any further attacks on US soil. Thats a major victory. We dont know how many people have been killed due to this war on terror. Its easier to keep track of scores for the terrorist. Its alot harder to see our victories/scores, because they are usually kept secret.

later,
epic

[Fred]

Just out of curiousity, how do we know its not the ETA? I saw that they had called in denying it, and that AQ claimed it for their own, but is there anything definitive yet?

I haven't seen much detail about the suspects other than their origins.

[Clashman]

Originally Posted by Fred

Just out of curiousity, how do we know its not the ETA? I saw that they had called in denying it, and that AQ claimed it for their own, but is there anything definitive yet?

I haven't seen much detail about the suspects other than their origins.

Well, I would think the fact that none of them are from the Basque country would be kind of an obvious tip-off, but maybe that's just me.

[Legion]

here is another article i found on my the israeli pages i visit

http://www.israelforum.com/dynamix/page.pl?sn=158

[epicstruggle]

Originally Posted by Clashman

Well, I would think the fact that none of them are from the Basque country would be kind of an obvious tip-off, but maybe that's just me.

It doesnt mean that eta didnt help with logistics or some planning. i doubt though that they were involved.

later,
epic

[PatrickL]

Methodology, explosives used, and the suspects seen in the stations are all close from AQ then ETA.

And if spanish voted like that it seems it s more because a part that usually is not taking time to vote decided to vote that time for two reasons:
- Of courese emotion due to bombs;
- angry against theit government that tried to blatantly lie about who was bombing.

[epicstruggle]

Originally Posted by PatrickL

- angry against theit government that tried to blatantly lie about who was bombing.

Did the govermnent actually say "ETA did it" or did they say "We think ETA did it". One is a fact, the other an opinion. Anyone know?

later,
epic

[PatrickL]

It is exactly what surprised us the most.

After the explosions we had all spanish officials in france invited on all our medias. They were preaching for ETA being guilty and when journalists, terrorist experts here tried to say that the methodology the motivations did not seem to be the way ETA acts but rather like AQ methods they refused to go further and stayed with a leitmotiv: it is ETA and nothing else.

Since that we learned that in fact Spanish Government asked them to act like that and to only talk about ETA.

[davefb]

and setting bombs off remotely instead of being suicide bombers is "al-quida" ???
some reasonable comparisons , esp interesting the comment about eta doing bombs close to elections . . .
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3512748.stm

bastards probably decided to work together
-dave-