[jvd]

http://cube.ign.com/articles/453/453962p1.html

Within the first few days of the announcement, some retailers were selling as many as 70 GameCubes a day (although sales appear to be declining). Last week's sales data shows that the GameCube outsold the Playstation 2 by 20% and the Xbox by 145%.

Hopefully this boost of sales will last and allow them to over take the xbox in the usa . Anyway it goes its great news for us . Cheap gamecubes for everyone and most of the new tittles are launching at 39.99 usd

[Paul]

Cube will take Xbox over for second place when this gen is over.

I can't wait until I buy my Cube soon, although I'm hoping Platinum ones are still around! I was at best buy and they had 0, not a good sign. A black one will be decent though.

The games are also cheap, metroid prime for 20 dollars used at EB? Sweet deal.

[Grall]

They're screwing over us Euros as usual on the software. You complain about some games costing $50? F*ck, we pay like $70! It's rediculous! If they reduced prices to $45 TOPS for new titles and like $30 for older ones that you didn't bother with first time 'round or something (or maybe wasn't hot enough to deserve paying full price), they'd sell a heck of a lot more games, capture a much bigger marketshare and make more dough overall.

Stupid Nintendo. *growl*


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[jvd]

DOn't those prices include vat ? I know the 40$ i spent on viewtifull joe was before tax. although tax is only 6% . In the states xbox , playstation 2 and game cubegames are 50$ nintnedo just droped to 40$ on some of the new releases .

[Qroach]

I don't think it's going to take over xbox in america. It's too late for that.

You get good sales by having the software people want, not just by having a low price on the hardware. I really wouldn't be suprised if many people that have multiple consoles were picking up gamecubes due to the low price. I know I would if I had the other two systems.

Not only that, this is a single week of sales, it's not like this has been sustained for more than a month.

[Natoi]

Yeah, it does indeed work. I've basically been contemplating on getting a Cube since like a few months after the launch, but now it seems like a really sweet deal with Metroid and stuff dropping to the budget title range on the 17th here in the EU too.

Thou I'm in such a state of life atm that no acquisition makes any sense... :/ sucks. Well, I'll get it next summer when I get my life back.

[jvd]

Originally Posted by Qroach

I don't think it's going to take over xbox in america. It's too late for that.

You get good sales by having the software people want, not just by having a low price on the hardware. I really wouldn't be suprised if many people that have multiple consoles were picking up gamecubes due to the low price. I know I would if I had the other two systems.

Not only that, this is a single week of sales, it's not like this has been sustained for more than a month.

Thats why I said hopefully it will last. Nintendo can still catch up to the xbox . It has a ton of great games. It just doesn't push its games like sony and ms do .

[a4164]

Originally Posted by Qroach

I don't think it's going to take over xbox in america. It's too late for that.

Not only that, this is a single week of sales, it's not like this has been sustained for more than a month.

As of Sept 17. 2003, Xbox was ahead by 1.3 million units (source). If sales can be sustained (i.e. beating Xbox) then they still have a chance.

[Jov]

Originally Posted by Qroach

I don't think it's going to take over xbox in america. It's too late for that.

Still got about two years of life left. I won't be surprised if it does. This is the Big N and its at the right price range in all markets.

Originally Posted by Qroach

You get good sales by having the software people want, not just by having a low price on the hardware.

Personally, the Cube have a smaller, but better range than the Box with some exceptions like online games and FPS. I think the Cube have the software to attract the gamers, but better 3rd party doesn't hurt.

Originally Posted by Qroach

Not only that, this is a single week of sales, it's not like this has been sustained for more than a month.

A few months back, some store in the UK slashed their price on the Cube as they decided not to carry it. The cut price had a very good response like it is currently. I can imagine a lot of PS2 owners won't mind getting the Cube for the price of 2 games. Also for the games you definitely won't get on the other machines.


Jov

[Qroach]

Still got about two years of life left. I won't be surprised if it does. This is the Big N and its at the right price range in all markets.

It does, but Xbox isn't exactly dropping off the face of the planet during that time. PLease don't give me the "it's the Big N" nonsese, becuase tha tmeans nothing otherwise the situation would have been the opposite until this point. You need to have enough games people want. Period. That's the only reason Xbox has done better than the cube in north america and europe.

Personally, the Cube have a smaller, but better range than the Box with some exceptions like online games and FPS.

Well I'd disagree with that, and I think the system sales speaks for itself at this point.

I think the Cube have the software to attract the gamers, but better 3rd party doesn't hurt.

Then please explain to me if it has the software to attract the gamers, then why didn't it already happen? They do need better 3rd party support, and it's a bit too late to get third parties to commit to the system with the long game development times on good 3rd party titles.

A few months back, some store in the UK slashed their price on the Cube as they decided not to carry it. The cut price had a very good response like it is currently.

That's true, but also back then the increase in sales didn't last. It's too early to say if it will or not at this point, but I'm guessing this will be short lived. At least until PS2 and xbox drop thier prices this fall like we've been hearing rumors about.

[Vince]

Originally Posted by Qroach

Not only that, this is a single week of sales, it's not like this has been sustained for more than a month.

Exactly, saying this has been a sucessfull move after a week is so very premature.

[Jov]

Originally Posted by Qroach

It does, but Xbox isn't exactly dropping off the face of the planet during that time. Please don't give me the "it's the Big N" nonsese, becuase tha tmeans nothing otherwise the situation would have been the opposite until this point. You need to have enough games people want. Period. That's the only reason Xbox has done better than the cube in north america and europe.

The Xbox had a lot of momentum from its heavy promo, free games packages and its Live stuff pushing it a head of the Cube. Unless there is a price cut (Xbox) in response, then the Cube should make very good inroad as it stands.

As for the "it's the Big N" statement, thats just a reference to its potential mindshare in the market still.

Well I'd disagree with that, and I think the system sales speaks for itself at this point.

Only time will tell.

Then please explain to me if it has the software to attract the gamers, then why didn't it already happen? They do need better 3rd party support, and it's a bit too late to get third parties to commit to the system with the long game development times on good 3rd party titles.

Given its only 1.3 Mil behind the Xbox in NA with almost no 3rd party support, I think its doing pretty well. If the playing field in regards to 3rd party support was even, e.g. games like Soul Calibur II, the sales might be very different. Just because 3rd parties decided to drop Cube in the past does not rule out they won't pick it up again. If games like SCII is any indication it might attract more development.

That's true, but also back then the increase in sales didn't last. It's too early to say if it will or not at this point, but I'm guessing this will be short lived. At least until PS2 and xbox drop thier prices this fall like we've been hearing rumors about.

Back then it didn't last because they ran out of shock and was dropped. Time will tell if this will last or not. For the price of 2 new games, I'll get a second one, but a NTSC version for progress tho. I just need to find an online store that will ship it to me with decent shipping fee.


Jov

[Grall]

Originally Posted by Vince

Exactly, saying this has been a sucessfull move after a week is so very premature.

All is well and just the way it's supposed to in Mushroom Kingdom it seems, Vince and Roach agreeing the cube's got no chance.

What else's new, tell me. :?


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[Jov]

Originally Posted by Vince

Exactly, saying this has been a sucessfull move after a week is so very premature.

I never stated it is a success, but the outlook for it.


Jov

[Vince]

Originally Posted by Grall

All is well and just the way it's supposed to in Mushroom Kingdom it seems, Vince and Roach agreeing the cube's got no chance

We're just realists and don't have this passionate connection. Tell me this, what good is a cut and one week spike if the sales normalize after 2 weeks?

Doesn't it strike you as f-ing bad that Nintendo needs to cut to $99 to get any semblence of a comptitive position? While the competition is at... $179? To even call this a sucess iks ignorant, it's nothing more than damage control to contain the underlying problems that lead to a production stoppage.

When they address some fundimental issues (let alone admit to them) then I'll talk.

[Jabjabs]

Personally I think Nintendo don't have a chance and that is because of Microsofts pricing tacktics. Do you think that if GC quickly started to catch up on xbox that Ms would do nothing? History has shown us that they won't, if MS has the will they will drop the price. And declaring the price dorp a succes so far is far to early as all price drop have the huge sales the first 1-2 weeks so wait until the end of the month and lets see how it turns out.

[Jov]

Originally Posted by Vince

We're just realists and don't have this passionate connection. Tell me this, what good is a cut and one week spike if the sales normalize after 2 weeks?

If this is just a spike then they might as well give the thing away, but hopefully its not.

Originally Posted by Vince

Doesn't it strike you as f-ing bad that Nintendo needs to cut to $99 to get any semblence of a comptitive position? While the competition is at... $179? To even call this a sucess iks ignorant, it's nothing more than damage control to contain the underlying problems that lead to a production stoppage.

Well its a catch 22 for them. They need the sales to attract the developers to make the games to attract the gamers to attract more sales of their platform. If they don't do something to help the sale then its only one way and thats down.

Originally Posted by Vince

When they address some fundimental issues (let alone admit to them) then I'll talk.

The fundimental issues (if its an issue) is that MS can take the hit to sell their platform, spend money to make the exclusive deals, etc... Whereas Nintendo haven't and was trying to make a profit from the Cube.


Jov

[Qroach]

The Xbox had a lot of momentum from its heavy promo, free games packages and its Live stuff pushing it a head of the Cube. Unless there is a price cut (Xbox) in response, then the Cube should make very good inroad as it stands.

Xbox didn't come out with any free game promos, or even support form teh majority of publishers. Many publishers waitied and supported it with "more " titles" after seeing how the sales of thier games looked. It was having the games people wanted to play, that drove people to purchase XBox slightly faster than gamecube. Gamecube also had free promors that didn't help the sales.

As for the "it's the Big N" statement, thats just a reference to its potential mindshare in the market still.

Well that's just the thing! I've been saying since before gamecube came out. The games people like has changed, and what worked for Nintendo in the past with thier major franchises, may not work moving forward. If thier big games don't attract the gamers, then what will? a price cut? no, it always comes down to having the games people want, and if people really wanted those games before, then why wait beofre purchasing?

Only time will tell.

How will "time tell" how things have uccured up until this point? By saying "only time will tell" that means things can change. Sure, anything is possible, I personally don't think they will, but you can think what you like. But that won't change what has happened up until now. Up until now, teh gamecube hasn't had te games people wanted, and that's why it hasn't sold at the same level or higher than xbox in north america / europe.

Given its only 1.3 Mil behind the Xbox in NA with almost no 3rd party support, I think its doing pretty well.

1.3 million for a unknown consle is a LOT considering they came out at the same time roughly. So many people in here were always claiming it had as much or "enough" 3rd paty support until recently. I wouldn't say it has "no" 3rd party support. It is loosing 3rd party support.

Just because 3rd parties decided to drop Cube in the past does not rule out they won't pick it up again. If games like SCII is any indication it might attract more development.

There were always a few thrid party titles that did well on the cube. Still, demographics play a big party in the sales of certain games, and if the system doesn't have those demographics, then it will be difficult to convince publishers. I really don't see how one week of sales increase is going to be enough, which is the entire point I'm making. One week of a sales spike really isn't anything to get hope up for just yet. This needs to occur for a extended period of time. Even still I don't see it being able to make the 1.3 mil lead all that much smaller without big name 3rd party games.

[zurich]

Given its only 1.3 Mil behind the Xbox in NA with almost no 3rd party support, I think its doing pretty well. If the playing field in regards to 3rd party support was even, e.g. games like Soul Calibur II, the sales might be very different. Just because 3rd parties decided to drop Cube in the past does not rule out they won't pick it up again. If games like SCII is any indication it might attract more development.

So what you're saying is that for the GameCube to be successful it needs all 3rd party games to feature Nintendo mascots?

Sorry, couldn't resist!

[jvd]

To point out something. From the start the cube has been cheaper than the xbox and ps2 . 200$ compared to 300$ it has allways stayed under the price point of the two other consoles . Ms droped to 179 with sony and the cube was 150. Ms did 2 free games and cube did 1 , cube droped to 100 and no free game ms still has 2 free games. In prespective the cheaper system is much better than giving away the free games . Second I only posted the article .

The cube has a strong line of games. It has many many games worth picking up more so than the xbox . Its a good system and its a steal at 100$. Being priced at 100$ is no failure or signs of death. The system was allways meant to be sold cheaper than the other systems. The only way the cube pricing would be a failure is if they were more expensive than the xbox and ps2 .

[Jov]

Originally Posted by Qroach

Xbox didn't come out with any free game promos, or even support form teh majority of publishers. Many publishers waitied and supported it with "more " titles" after seeing how the sales of thier games looked. It was having the games people wanted to play, that drove people to purchase XBox slightly faster than gamecube. Gamecube also had free promors that didn't help the sales.

My take on when the Xbox pulled away was just before last Xmas, otherwise they were very close. Nintendo was losing ground when the didn't match MS in the give away stake during that time. That break away and the fact that Xbox version games were doing better in NA started the trend for the 3rd party departures.

Originally Posted by Qroach

Well that's just the thing! I've been saying since before gamecube came out. The games people like has changed, and what worked for Nintendo in the past with thier major franchises, may not work moving forward. If thier big games don't attract the gamers, then what will? a price cut? no, it always comes down to having the games people want, and if people really wanted those games before, then why wait beofre purchasing?

Was never arguing on the point of games not selling consoles. The fact of the matter is they do. Look at the PS2. If you're looking at the sales side of things between the Box and Cube, then the Xbox hardware started moving most or more rapid during the bundle packs last year, at a time IHO when there wasn't alot of attractive games going for it. As for the games the attach rate is a good indication for the two platform given its similar marketshares.

Originally Posted by Qroach

How will "time tell" how things have uccured up until this point? By saying "only time will tell" that means things can change. Sure, anything is possible, I personally don't think they will, but you can think what you like.

Time will tell if this price cut will be a positive for the Cube long term.

Originally Posted by Qroach

1.3 million for a unknown consle is a LOT considering they came out at the same time roughly. So many people in here were always claiming it had as much or "enough" 3rd paty support until recently. I wouldn't say it has "no" 3rd party support. It is loosing 3rd party support.

Unknown console? Its an unknown console with 1/2 a Billion dollars for promotions only and was marketed as the most powerful. Also the fact that its was so similar to the PC. It didn't help getting a good foot in the door, and especially with all its PC and PC like ports? I admit the Big N's marketing was crap incomparason and was relying on its big names to go alone which never happened.

Since its aimed at younger gamers, then the price needs to reflect this. Now it seems to be the case.

Originally Posted by Qroach

I really don't see how one week of sales increase is going to be enough, which is the entire point I'm making. One week of a sales spike really isn't anything to get hope up for just yet. This needs to occur for a extended period of time. Even still I don't see it being able to make the 1.3 mil lead all that much smaller without big name 3rd party games.

Your point was not debated, in fact it would be agreed by most that one week is nothing to jump up and down for, but it is still positive and its something Nintendo can build upon. It might be the spike that sparks a resurgent. Lets hope so just for the sake of competition.


Jov

[Jov]

Originally Posted by zurich

So what you're saying is that for the GameCube to be successful it needs all 3rd party games to feature Nintendo mascots?

Sorry, couldn't resist!

If it would help... why not? But then Link's appeal won't be the same.


Jov

[zurich]

Originally Posted by jvd

The only way the cube pricing would be a failure is if they were more expensive than the xbox and ps2 .

...or if at its $99 USD price point the GC doesn't see sustained, increased sales over its competitors.

Going from selling 1 to 4 is a 400% shot in the arm, but it is still a failure when you should be selling 25.

Time will tell, but I still feel it has left Nintendo little room to maneuver with 2+ years left in this generation.

[Jov]

Originally Posted by zurich

...or if at its $99 USD price point the GC doesn't see sustained, increased sales over its competitors.

Going from selling 1 to 4 is a 400% shot in the arm, but it is still a failure when you should be selling 25.

Time will tell, but I still feel it has left Nintendo little room to maneuver with 2+ years left in this generation.

Should they be selling 25? Is this from the NES days?
I agree this doesn't leave the N much room in terms of prices if this fails. They'll need some killer apps or at least drop their royality fee somewhat to get the 3rd party if this price cut doesn't sustain.

[Grall]

Originally Posted by Vince

We're just realists and don't have this passionate connection.

"Just realists"? More like anti-cube fanboiiis you mean. Dude, you've ALWAYS ragged on the cube, as has Qroach.

Tell me this, what good is a cut and one week spike if the sales normalize after 2 weeks?

Why don't you wait 2 weeks then before you start yapping about it?

Doesn't it strike you as f-ing bad that Nintendo needs to cut to $99 to get any semblence of a comptitive position?

Uh, no? WHat kind of stupid question is that?

WHEN exactly is a higher price inherently a good thing? Bring on the price reductions I say! Reduce it more, particulary on the software!

While the competition is at... $179? To even call this a sucess iks ignorant (blah blah rant rave)

So the competition is at 179, TOO BAD FOR THEM! Why should I NOT jump with joy at the thought of being able to pick up a Cube for 99? Oh, right, I already own one, which I bought for the equivalent of $230 or so, but apart from that... Like I said, you're just ant-Nintendo, that's all.

When they address some fundimental issues (let alone admit to them) then I'll talk.

Hahaha, rofl, etc.

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