[chaphack]

You (and 30M other people or some insane amount) will buy a literally piece of shit GBA and talk about how it's the best thing since sliced break and the glow in the dark condom.

I dont personally own a GBA. BUT from my limited experience with it, it sure aint no POS. It is solid, playable, lasting, games a-many, has what oldies call nostalgic 2D and well, cheap.

But, when Sony wants to give you gaming functinality that's leagues beyond the GBA with other assorted "freebies" that will have minimal impact on the product price due to integration - you moan and bitch.
Common now, this device is nothing but icing - and compared with the competition it's in a league of it's own

Comparing a phantom specced hardware over a last gen one is not really nice. Lets see what GBA2 or even XBoy(!!), has to offer first. And boy, will i moan and bitch if the selling price is leagues above GBA!

Like UMD, who cares if it's propietary and closed? Thats the best move to entice and win over Hollywood.

I mean, think about UMD for a second. If it's closed, then it's only purpose it to serve as a medium for games and bought digital media. Which puts it in the exact same catagory as the GBA cartridges which don't need massive industry approval - yet nobody complains about them.

Closed propretiary games are sold to gamers because they want to play games. Closed propretiary movies and music over say, DVDs/CDs.... hmmm....i don think even PSP gamers are willing "forgo" the standard DVD/CD format.

. And then those who complain about Music recording convienently forget about MemoryStick and 802.11? God forbid you spend an extra $50 on a MS to get all that functionality in a single device that you'd otherwise drop a C-note on.

Memsticks price per storage arent yayay enough to be consider a mainstream recordable media. Which of course it isnt even today. And IIRC, Panasonic SD Cards are better off vs Memsticks.
Then again, Memsticks and WLAN are a nice addition but closed UMDs are still hohohum...

And then the TV-out complaint? It's a joke, nothing more.

Its valid complaint. Jokes on you.
BUT you just relax will ya, since its only from some cranky translation did we get the NO-TV thingie....

When will people learn and not speak with such ignorent words?

"This will be another PS2 style domination - mark my words."


Mark your words i will.

[cybamerc]

Vince:

> You (and 30M other people or some insane amount) will buy a literally
> piece of shit GBA and talk about how it's the best thing since sliced
> break

It's better than getting excited about a bulky portable system with no games and gimmicky music and movie playback features. Hell, the thing doesn't even exist yet.

> Thats the best move to entice and win over Hollywood.

Yes, because we all know what massive successes prerecorded Betamax and MDs were.

> And then those who complain about Music recording convienently forget
> about MemoryStick and 802.11?

MemoryStick isn't what Sony is hyping in regards to content. It's also ridiculously expensive.

> Which puts it in the exact same catagory as the GBA cartridges which
> don't need massive industry approval

It's needs "massive industry approval" if it's going to succeed as anything but a way to distribute PSP software.

[rabidrabbit]

I totally fail to understand some people.
I mean, Sony (or justKutaragi?) has said PSP is 'the Walkman of 21th Century', that it will play games, music and video.

Then some people say: 'Nay, PSP will flop because of UMD! You can not even write your own UMD's, you can not play your excisting CDs and DVDs. Closed Sony format is gonna suk!'

Let's look at the future.
PSP is near release, the Sony 'Hype machine' will start advertising PSP as 'Walkman of 21st Century' that plays games, music and video. All media will be on new UMD discs that are small and handy, with more capacity than CD's. You can also use Memory Sticks for transferring your own media'

People will buy the PSP, there will be many great games available at launch, maybe 5-10 UMD music discs from major popular artists, 1 or two UMD movie discs (maybe LOTR, Matrix, StarWars 3, Spiderman 2 or some other major title.)

People will be excited that they can watch movies on a portable device, so they might buy one or two movies. People will be excited of the new device and buy a couple of music discs.

Soon after the novelty has worn off, people realise that the small screen is not so great for big effects movies, and that they rather watch those films in their home system, with better surround sound and big screen.
Movies in UMD will not be a major selling point for PSP, just a nice extra.
I would not be surprised if the movie side of UMD will soon 'flop'.

People will be happy that they now have a one portable device that plays games, and also plays their favorite music.
But there's a catch... they can not copy any of their excisting music collection, that they have downloaded in MP3 with Kazaa.
'Oh f*ck!' they think. 'Do I actually have to go and pay for the music I want to listen?!? But I haven't bought a single CD in years!'

Just to try out the PSP music playing, they go and buy their first legal music disc in 5 years.
It's good, but being a greedy b*sta*d, he thinks he'll stick with his MP3 player and free music. It's small enough to fit in pocket with PSP, and you can use the same headphones with both of them, so no big deal.
He might even buy a large memory stick, and copy some music from his HD there in PSP compatible format.

In a couple of years time, Sony will launch PS3 and along with it an internet portal where you can download music (and movies) to Memory Sticks. They will be cheaper than UMD media, even cheaper than buying the same music in CD (or film in DVD).
People will already have a PSP, they get interested in this new possibility and the PS3's fabulous games and technology, and they'll buy a PS3.
They'll download some music in PS3 (it has no HD), and copy it in PS3's UMD-RW disc. The UMD used in PS3 is using BluRay technology, and you can write either in BluRay (with 10GB capacity) or PSP UMD format. PS3 will propably have a 'dual size capable' disc tray, and it accepts both UMD discs and larger BluRay discs.

People will find this very handy, they can download media relatively cheap and fast. Many people had not even heard of PC PeerToPeer programs, and the free media that could be got there. And even those who previously downloaded all their media from Kazaa, will now dl much of their music directly from music companies, via PS3. Now they use their PC's and Kazaa mostly for downloading pron and other marginal material.

In short. I dont see the music and movies as any major selling point for PSP.
Of course Sony will advertise those highly. Why wouldn't they, if the machine is capable of those, and you just never know, if they will be a huge success.
Sony must know such a porprietary format has a huge uphill to achieve any significant market. But PSP will (most likely) sell, and it will (most likely) be profitable even if people only bought games for it. A portable disc-based gaming devise using standard CD's and DVD's would on the other hand be a 100% sure flop.
I don't believe no-one is excepting UMD to replace CDs, DVDs and other formats.
Those extra functions (GPS, movies, music...) are there if there appears a noteworthy market for them.

[Vince]

Originally Posted by chaphack

I dont personally own a GBA. BUT from my limited experience with it, it sure aint no POS.

Great, nothing like someone with no frame-of-reference passing negative judgment.

Comparing a phantom specced hardware over a last gen one is not really nice. Lets see what GBA2 or even XBoy(!!), has to offer first. And boy, will i moan and bitch if the selling price is leagues above GBA!

• PSP is hardly a phantom, lets be serious. The specs are out, they can't backdown.
• You're going to bitch anyways, who are you kidding?

Closed propretiary games are sold to gamers because they want to play games. Closed propretiary movies and music over say, DVDs/CDs.... hmmm....i don think even PSP gamers are willing "forgo" the standard DVD/CD format.

Then don't buy a movie and just play games. What's the problem? But, for the rest of us who are going to game on PSP anyways and like movies - we might buy movies on UMD for when we're on the go! Just amazing thinking, I know.

I mean, there is no problem here. NONE. You don't want to then don't buy them. But somone of us drive, or take the train/subway or fly for buisness or waste time before meetings, etc. We'd see utility in a single device - especially when it's seemlessly integreated. You're whole line of oposition is embarrasing.

Memsticks price per storage arent yayay enough to be consider a mainstream recordable media. Which of course it isnt even today.

What communist propoganda is this?

Originally Posted by [url

http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103_2-5065656.html[/url]]Memory Stick holds the No. 2 market share position, behind Secure Digital. In 2002, Memory Stick had 21 percent of the nearly $2 billion worldwide market, which is expected to grow to $4.6 billion in revenue by 2007, according to Gartner

http://news.com.com/2100-1040-268460.html

And IIRC, Panasonic SD Cards are better off vs Memsticks.
Then again, Memsticks and WLAN are a nice addition but closed UMDs are still hohohum...

Ok, lets think about this. You're unwilling to buy a $50 MagicGate MemoryStick that will allow you to play MP3's/ATRAC on a single device, but you'll drop $100 on a stand alone player? And if you won't buy a comperative player - then you have no buisness commenting.

Its valid complaint. Jokes on you.

Why the damn thing won't bake me some Blueberry Muffins is a vlid complaint too. Again, if you want Muffins buy a KitchenAid... if you want to play on your TV then buy a PS3.

It's a portable for a reason, why you can't understand this I don't know.

[cybamerc]

Vince:

> Great, nothing like someone with no frame-of-reference passing
> negative judgment.

Great, nothing like someone with no frame-of-reference going ga-ga over something that he knows nothing about.

[Vince]

Originally Posted by cybamerc

Great, nothing like someone with no frame-of-reference going ga-ga over something that he knows nothing about.

I love the specifics, thank God for the internet.

[rabidrabbit]

[quote="cthellis42"]

Originally Posted by Vince

"Highly desired"? Yeah right bud, this is a niche if there ever was one. If you want to play on the big screen buy a PS3.

Originally Posted by cthellis42

Why do tape conversion kits exist? Why Line Out ports on walkmen and portable CD players and MP3 players? No one buys these units for the EXPRESS PURPOSE of connecting it to other devices, but EVERYONE likes the capability being there. Why have an overbearing sound chip and push for DVD-like picture qualities on a device that would be locked?
....

Line Out ports on Walkmans are more of a legacy. For many, a Walkman CD was their only CD player around 10 years ago. Nowadays CD home players are everywhere, so there is very little use for line out jack.
In MP3 players it is still more used, cos only newer DVD desktop players understand MP3.
TV out in PSP has not much point in it. The games run at a lower resolution than PS2 games, the movies look better in DVD's.
PSP is a personal media player and tries to create and fill a demand for such a device.

[PC-Engine]

I see people buying a portable DVD player to play their existing and growing library of DVDs on the go. The DVD players have bigger screens, tv out, optical outputs, etc.

I don't see people building a new library of UMD movies and only be able to watch them on a little PSP screen yet not in their existing home DVD player. Oh did I mention they can play those same DVD movies in the DVD head units in their cars too with flip out display?

[cybamerc]

Vince:

> I love the specifics, thank God for the internet.

The specifics? A couple of bullet points in a PowerPoint presentation? Yes, I can see how that is something worth getting excited about. Who cares about games or information that you can actually gather something from? It's from Sony OMG! It's gonna be the best thing evar!!!1

[chaphack]

Great, nothing like someone with no frame-of-reference passing negative judgment.

Why? Have you not heard about this word called, "friends"?

PSP is hardly a phantom, lets be serious. The specs are out, they can't backdown.

Yes, nice little sets of .ppt, some hohoho talk and..............?

Furthermore, you just cannot compare an old GBA aimed for strictly portable gaming against one PDE, that is hyped as "Walkman 21st Century".

You're going to bitch anyways, who are you kidding?

That is just, not right of you....why the biasedness against me? If its good, its good. Its bad, its bad, be it SONY/MS/N imho.

Then don't buy a movie and just play games. What's the problem?

I have no problem against PSP in terms of gaming. As i said, it shall do ok(at the least) for that aspect. But distributing mulitmedia stuffs....thats a hard sell....

we might buy movies on UMD for when we're on the go! Just amazing thinking, I know.

"WE" as in you and....most probably "The Others".... :P

I mean, there is no problem here. NONE. You don't want to then don't buy them. But somone of us drive, or take the train/subway or fly for buisness or waste time before meetings, etc. We'd see utility in a single device - especially when it's seemlessly integreated. You're whole line of oposition is embarrasing.

It is nothing embarrasing.

You see, there surely will be a group of hardcore techies ready to jump on new gadgets, doing all the things you said. But there will also be a normal group that dont jump on the bandwagon.

Will the tech junkies out number the normal user group? And more importantly, will the tech junkies, with all their know-how, going to "forgo" the standard alternatives and submit to a ROM propertiery format?

Once again, i say PSP will do alright as a gaming portable, but all other intended "Walkman 21st Century" stuffs are a hard sell. closed UMD(and no TV out if true) does not help to ease that hardness.

What communist propoganda is this? And the percentage has increased in the past 2 years. I just can't find the press release yet for 2002/2003.

http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/s...story=34548232

"SD memory Card surpassing Memory Stick for each of the first four months of 2003.

In the first four months of 2003, SD Memory Card sales grew more than 700 percent over the same period in 2002. According to The NPD Group, a global market information company, SD Memory Cards captured 25.2 percent of the U.S. retail and commercial memory card market during the first four months of 2003. Industry analyst IDC also predicts that demand for SD will be more than twice that of any other format by 2006. "

Ok, lets think about this. You're unwilling to buy a $50 MagicGate MemoryStick that will allow you to play MP3's/ATRAC on a single device, but you'll drop $100 on a stand alone player? And if you won't buy a comperative player - then you have no buisness commenting.

Depends... since i already have a cheap CD and MP3 player today.

Why the damn thing won't bake me some Blueberry Muffins is a vlid complaint too. Again, if you want Muffins buy a KitchenAid... if you want to play on your TV then buy a PS3.

It's a portable for a reason, why you can't understand this I don't know.

I guess you feel strongly against having an important/worthy option of playing your propertiery movies/cds media format on better external devices? Who is with Vince here?



Anyway, im tired for today. Be back again!

[jvd]

Ok, lets think about this. You're unwilling to buy a $50 MagicGate MemoryStick that will allow you to play MP3's/ATRAC on a single device, but you'll drop $100 on a stand alone player? And if you won't buy a comperative player - then you have no buisness commenting.

I bought a 175$ mp3 player that holds 25 hours of music and batterys last over 30 hours on normal double aa . Its also about the size of my wallet. So i can easily put it in my pocket. I don't have to worry about scratching a screen. Or batterys running out or needed to charge them . Not only that but my mp3 player will hook up to my home made car mp3 player to transfer songs off my 200gig hardrive in my car. Which is an added bonus. But not only that. I can go to my friends house and download his mp3s. Or upload mine to his pc. Or to aonther mp3 player.

In my new volvo I have a dvd player build into the dashboard (where the cd player would be) and then a screen on the roof of the car so the back two rows can see the screen. Not only that but more and more family cars and vans are coming with these thigns standard. So why would I want to play a media that only works in one thing . Not when i can use dvds both in the house and in my car. Not only that but as of now there is no announced or even rumored news about the ps3 supported the media. So really why would u buy a 50$ memory stick to watch a few movies on your psp when you might not be able to play them in your ps3. You can't play them in your ps2 or any other avalible dvd player. Hell you can't even play them on your pc.

Why the damn thing won't bake me some Blueberry Muffins is a vlid complaint too. Again, if you want Muffins buy a KitchenAid... if you want to play on your TV then buy a PS3.

It's a portable for a reason, why you can't understand this I don't know.

I dunno if the chips run hot enough it may cook muffins . I mean an easy bake oven cooks cakes on a what 20 watt bulb. It might be able to pull it off .

[rabidrabbit]

Originally Posted by jvd

...
In my new volvo I have a dvd player build into the dashboard (where the cd player would be) and then a screen on the roof of the car so the back two rows can see the screen. Not only that but more and more family cars and vans are coming with these thigns standard. So why would I want to play a media that only works in one thing . Not when i can use dvds both in the house and in my car. Not only that but as of now there is no announced or even rumored news about the ps3 supported the media. So really why would u buy a 50$ memory stick to watch a few movies on your psp when you might not be able to play them in your ps3. You can't play them in your ps2 or any other avalible dvd player. Hell you can't even play them on your pc.
...

And you can take your DVD player and screen from your new Volvo and take it with you in train or plane?
As for those things being more and more standard in new cars, I would disagree. Maybe in us, but not necessarily in europe.
...and I strongly believe it will be a lot cheaper to buy a PSP than a new Volvo with DVD

[jvd]

Originally Posted by rabidrabbit

And you can take your DVD player and screen from your new Volvo and take it with you in train or plane?
As for those things being more and more standard in new cars, I would disagree. Maybe in us, but not necessarily in europe.
...and I strongly believe it will be a lot cheaper to buy a PSP than a new Volvo with DVD

No i wouldn't bring them on the train. Of course i wouldn't bring a psp either. Have you ever taken a subway ? You don't want to be flashing 200$ it things in a new york sub way. It will be stolen quickly. I've seen a gameboy pocket stolen a few months ago. Thats why i have my small mp3 player that i keep in my jacket pocket and the small head phones that just go into my ear with the wire.

Btw my volvo suv was 48k . But my cousin just bought a mini van since they are having a kid. 22 grand and it came with a dvd player and monsters inc . So in a few more years that will be as standard as a normal cd player in a car. Esp since dvd music is starting to vamp up .

[rabidrabbit]

Yes, jvd. All that can happen in U.S.A and N.Y.
But fortunately , and unfortunately not everywhere else.

[jvd]

Originally Posted by rabidrabbit

Yes, jvd. All that can happen in U.S.A and N.Y.
But fortunately , and unfortunately not everywhere else.

Yup and i can also go into my nice air con'd house and vist my grandma at her apartment with air con and not have to worry about her dieing. Since you know we actually have that here .

Oh and btw crime will happen every where. Its part of the human condtion.

[rabidrabbit]

But I can put my grandma into an air conditioned old people's house, and not have to visit her if I don't want to.
And it won't cost me a fortune, either!

Crime does happen everywhere, it's just how much of it, and how frequently.

If I visit my parents and take a train, I can leave my bag on the seat unguarded, and be 98% sure none of my belongings have been stolen.
If I go to subway I don't have to worry I'll be robbed outright if I carry a laptop or other portaple gadget. well, maybe at night I would be just a little bit afraid, but during daytime I'll feel safe.
I'm not saying people here are more honest or better, proply just because we are fewer here than in some metropolis, so the criminals are also more rare.

[jvd]

I actually travel with my laptop. Sometimes i'm playing games on it . Only thing is a laptop wont be hyped to hell. Its just like i'd take a subway with a 300 dollar pair of dress shoes but i wouldn't go with a 200$ pair of nikes. You know what i mean? The laptop isn't the cool thing to have . The psp will be hyped to hell. Another example is 8th grade. Everyone was playing magic and of course us being kids would steal others cards. But my friends and i could bring in our d&d books and maps and play during study hall and leave the game there for 20 mins and come back and nothing will be touched.

[rabidrabbit]

Ok, I just thought (from your previous post) that in general '200$ it things in a new york sub way' are likely to be stolen.
So it'll mainly be the 'hip' things that are stolen, even if you're grasping them tight, or keeping them hidden in your bag.

Isn't a new SUV Volvo with 'hip' dvd player then more likely to be broken into and robbed of all the gadgets, than a 'standard' SUV Volvo that has only basic cd player (the passengers carry their personal media player with them, and don't leave them visible in car).

8 graders are a class of their own, one should not allow anything remotely valuable in 8 grader's possession. I lost most of my PSOne games when I lend it to my brother's girlfriends son (he sold them to his pals ) and my mountain bike was wrecked after a couple of days loan

[jvd]

Originally Posted by rabidrabbit

Ok, I just thought (from your previous post) that in general '200$ it things in a new york sub way' are likely to be stolen.
So it'll mainly be the 'hip' things that are stolen, even if you're grasping them tight, or keeping them hidden in your bag.

Isn't a new SUV Volvo with 'hip' dvd player then more likely to be broken into and robbed of all the gadgets, than a 'standard' SUV Volvo that has only basic cd player (the passengers carry their personal media player with them, and don't leave them visible in car).

8 graders are a class of their own, one should not allow anything remotely valuable in 8 grader's possession. I lost most of my PSOne games when I lend it to my brother's girlfriends son (he sold them to his pals ) and my mountain bike was wrecked after a couple of days loan

On regards to my volvo , Not only does the dash board dvd player go back into the dash to look like a normal cd player but the flip down from the roof also gos back up into it . The windows are also tinted and I have that onstar tracking thingy. So i would expect my truck to be safer than a psp that i'm holding out infront of me while playing and fingers moving across buttons . Someone can easily take it outta my hands.

[rabidrabbit]

Ok,
I
Give
Up

But
Even
If
All
PSP's
Were
Stolen
after
they
have
been
purchased,
It would only mean, those whom it was stolen from, would buy a new one. And those that were stolen, would find a new home. PSP userbase would grow fast, Sony profits rise!!!

[cybamerc]

rabidrabbit:

> Sony profits rise!!!

Not if they take a hit on the hardware which they will need to in order to price it competitively against the GBA. Not that I think they will. Surely they are smarter than that.

[jvd]

Originally Posted by rabidrabbit

Ok,
I
Give
Up

But
Even
If
All
PSP's
Were
Stolen
after
they
have
been
purchased,
It would only mean, those whom it was stolen from, would buy a new one. And those that were stolen, would find a new home. PSP userbase would grow fast, Sony profits rise!!!

I guess . But from my point of view. Why would I buy a 200$ system , 50$ memory stick twice. Thats a little expensive to me . I much rather bring a gbsp . At least thats 70 bucks . Heck even a gba is better . I can get a used for 30. Besides . I only brought this up as an example of why I'd perfer an mp3 player over a psp . You are the one who kept arguing that I was wrong in my thinking. When in fact I am not

[rabidrabbit]

Eh, MP3 player is a MP3 player. You can not play games on it.
If you'd rather take a $175 MP3 player over $200 PSP, that's fine with me.

I didn't know this thread is about 'should jvd buy a PSP'
At least I have discussed mostly in general level, leaving out my personal needs and whether I already own gadgets that do things PSP is supposed to do better and already.

PSP is first and foremost a gaming device.
GBA is nice, and has good games. But it is getting a bit old, technology wise.
Portable gaming is not everyone's cup of tea, and for such person a MP3 player and GB might be fine for years to come, and he/she should be allowed to be happy with them.
But many potential PSP buyers are ready to upgrade.

[chaphack]

Im back.

ANYWAY, with all the talk of a portable all-in-one PDE, anyone taking bets on the weight + battery of PSP? You know, the 2 important aspects of a portable device, conspiciously missing/silent so far from Ken and his team.

Im off again!

[london-boy]

Originally Posted by chaphack

Im back.

ANYWAY, with all the talk of a portable all-in-one PDE, anyone taking bets on the weight + battery of PSP? You know, the 2 important aspects of a portable device, conspiciously missing/silent so far from Ken and his team.

Im off again!

probably because those are the parts that still need work...? just my 2 pennies