[Silent_Buddha]

I wonder how the 16 GB of flash is going to handle games with a required HDD partial install? How large are partial installs usually? Smallest? Largest? Going to guess Sony will sell an official HDD addon?

If this hits 99 USD, I may be interested. Then again, I haven't really gamed on my X360 much lately. And only thing on the horizon that is console only that I'm terribly interested in is Halo 4. So while I'm slightly interested, it probably isn't worth that much to me.

Regards,
SB

[Brad Grenz]

... guessing 199 for 16gb if you're lucky. then 249/299.

the gen is winding down, hardware sales are extremely slow, i dont see a point in pursuing aggressive hardware price points for sony right now.

good on them for being aggressive though. i imagine microsofts refresh will follow maybe in 2013.

Why would they introduce a cost reduced version of the hardware and not drop the price of the hdd models at all? That makes no sense. The whole point of a flash storage sku is to drive the price under $199.

[Lucid_Dreamer]

It looks good! The stenciled lines on top can be changed. I might pick up one. The power savings will probably be worth it, as well.

[CopyCat]

Originally Posted by Silent_Buddha

I wonder how the 16 GB of flash is going to handle games with a required HDD partial install? How large are partial installs usually? Smallest? Largest? Going to guess Sony will sell an official HDD addon?

16GB should be sufficient to install at least a couple of games. Installs are often around 2-3GB, but there are many games which don't have an install at all, or just a very small one (less than 1GB). Bigger installs are usually around 6GB.
Unless Sony doesn't change this with the new model an official HDD addon shouldn't be necessary. Normal 2,5" HDDs work perfectly fine in the PS3.

[Silent_Buddha]

Thanks, will have to see what price the flash model hits at and whether I'm interested when it hits.

Regards,
SB

[Shifty Geezer]

Surely the 16 GB model will support USB or SB card sotrage of some form? Maybe even Vita memory cards. Because 16 GBs is really constrictive. The OS takes a load in itself. I put hardly anything on my 40 GB model but it still got tight in the storage department. Saved game-data can take up alot of extra room that you aren't away of which installing/uninstalling.

I'm sure it'll take an HDD though, so find any old SATA 2.5" and chuck that in when things get tight. There must be quite a few PS3 upgraders with an old HDD they'll sell on eBay.

[Rotmm]

Originally Posted by tuna

I do not see any USB slots on the back....

Sorry, when I was first quickly scanned the images I saw the the 2 USB ports and thought that was the back of the machine. Can't understand how I made that mistake :/

So let me now say that it's a shame that it looks like there will be no USB ports on the back. Seems like a huge oversight to me. Still, maybe it's something they'll rectify with the PS4.

[Rotmm]

Originally Posted by Grall

Toploading belongs in cheap portable music systems. Not in livingroom audio/video gear.

How can you say that?

[Shapeshifter]

Originally Posted by Rotmm

How can you say that?

Don't forget the Playstation and Playstation 2 slim, are top loading as well.

[The Seventh Taylor]

Originally Posted by Shapeshifter

Don't forget the Playstation and Playstation 2 slim, are top loading as well.

Yes, the original PlayStation even, not merely PSone.

[Akumajou]

Its ugly... and top loading disc tray? wow how sad, Sony's rushed launch PS3 (imho in terms of having to make it to market to the rival console) was and still is a technological marvel jam packed with so many features and quality, extremely high quality components (5 real copper heat pipes and multi RPM fan system that revs up and down depending on temps), not to mention how it was shipped as a swiss army knife type tech in terms of PS1/PS2/PS3/DVD/BR/CD/SD etc.

It really is sad that consumers did not respond back then even though its ancient history... it seems to me that really is the reason why next gen consoles will not be so great with manufacturers having fear and uncertainty in console and software sales...

I don't care the excuses its a games consoles and plays movies... somehow I don't think this is the last revision but how sad it is that due to lack of initial consumer demand (not to mention economic issues) we are going downhill here.

[onQ]

Originally Posted by Akumajou

Its ugly... and top loading disc tray? wow how sad, Sony's rushed launch PS3 (imho in terms of having to make it to market to the rival console) was and still is a technological marvel jam packed with so many features and quality, extremely high quality components (5 real copper heat pipes and multi RPM fan system that revs up and down depending on temps), not to mention how it was shipped as a swiss army knife type tech in terms of PS1/PS2/PS3/DVD/BR/CD/SD etc.

It really is sad that consumers did not respond back then even though its ancient history... it seems to me that really is the reason why next gen consoles will not be so great with manufacturers having fear and uncertainty in console and software sales...

I don't care the excuses its a games consoles and plays movies... somehow I don't think this is the last revision but how sad it is that due to lack of initial consumer demand (not to mention economic issues) we are going downhill here.

The Grownups had there fun with the PS3 now it's time to make it a console for the kids while the grownups save up for the PS4.

I think this is a smart move the 1st PS3 was too big & too nice looking to buy for kids because you wouldn't want them moving it around because you would think they would break it.

The new model you would have no trouble letting it go into a kids hand.

[Invalid]

A ~149€ 16GB model would be a good replacement for my loudashell 320GB phat ps3 provided there is a hdd dock.

[Cornsnake]

Originally Posted by onQ

The new model you would have no trouble letting it go into a kids hand.

A sliding cover and an exposed lens seem like just the things that would break when you let your kids have it. No such problems on the older models.

[ToTTenTranz]

Originally Posted by Akumajou

Its ugly... and top loading disc tray? wow how sad, Sony's rushed launch PS3 (imho in terms of having to make it to market to the rival console) was and still is a technological marvel jam packed with so many features and quality, extremely high quality components (5 real copper heat pipes and multi RPM fan system that revs up and down depending on temps), not to mention how it was shipped as a swiss army knife type tech in terms of PS1/PS2/PS3/DVD/BR/CD/SD etc.

It really is sad that consumers did not respond back then even though its ancient history... it seems to me that really is the reason why next gen consoles will not be so great with manufacturers having fear and uncertainty in console and software sales...

I don't care the excuses its a games consoles and plays movies... somehow I don't think this is the last revision but how sad it is that due to lack of initial consumer demand (not to mention economic issues) we are going downhill here.

Wow, there's way too much drama in there.


They're manufacturing the console's chips using more up-to-date process technologies, which renders a 5 heat pipe + multi-RPM fan useless. They save money on the cooling system and increase energy efficiency in the process.
To still implement an overkill cooling system like that on 28nm chips would be stupid from any reasonable point of view.

PS2 BC was scrapped because people don't play PS2 titles anymore. They weren't going to keep putting an EE + RS chip in there just because some 0,05% of the PS3 customers want to play Final Fantasy X, even though many of them still keep a functional PS2 unit.
BC that requires dedicated hardware made sense during the initial stages of the console, where the added portfolio came as a true advantage. The PS3 now has a very large game line-up with many great titles as it is. BC compatibility with ~10 year titles isn't that important anymore.

And just because you have the (very) subjective opinion that it's ugly, it doesn't make it an absolute truth at all.
I don't think it's ugly and I don't mind the top loading disc tray.



What is immensely more important than any of the factors you mentioned is to broaden the console's user base, increasing the number of customers from which the game developers depend on.

Cheaper consoles -> more consoles sold -> more PS3 gamers -> more people buying PS3 games -> more money to developers.
It could be a brick with a power plug, HDMI port and blu-ray disc tray, for all I know.

In case you didn't notice, we don't live in an era of luxurious and short-lived electronic appliances anymore. Except for smartphones/tablets (which are really eating into the PC market, so it's more like an "investment shift"), things are getting smaller, cheaper, more efficient and therefore available to more people.
And I find that to be good.

[Invalid]

Originally Posted by ToTTenTranz

PS2 BC was scrapped because people don't play PS2 titles anymore. They weren't going to keep putting an EE + RS chip in there just because some 0,05% of the PS3 customers want to play Final Fantasy X, even though many of them still keep a functional PS2 unit.
BC that requires dedicated hardware made sense during the initial stages of the console, where the added portfolio came as a true advantage. The PS3 now has a very large game line-up with many great titles as it is. BC compatibility with ~10 year titles isn't that important anymore.

While i agree with your post sony removed bc because ee+gs cost them sth like 20-30$ per unit iirc and not because lack of costumers interest for bc.

[ToTTenTranz]

Originally Posted by Invalid

While i agree with your post sony removed bc because ee+gs cost them sth like 20-30$ per unit iirc and not because lack of costumers interest for bc.

That cost was there from the beginning, when Sony designed the first PS3 iteration.
It's a trade-off between how many more users will purchase the console if there's BC or not.

All I said was that when the PS3 launched, they figured the extra cost for the EE+GS was worth the extra sales. Later on, when the PS3 had a rich game portfolio, it wasn't worth anymore.

[Nesh]

Originally Posted by ToTTenTranz

That cost was there from the beginning, when Sony designed the first PS3 iteration.
It's a trade-off between how many more users will purchase the console if there's BC or not.

All I said was that when the PS3 launched, they figured the extra cost for the EE+GS was worth the extra sales. Later on, when the PS3 had a rich game portfolio, it wasn't worth anymore.

I dont think it was exactly that. The PS3 was a very costly piece of hardware. Sales were slow. Sony needed to lower the price fast to boost sales. Lowering the retail price without lowering manufacturing costs would have generated huge loses. So they removed 2 USB ports, they replaced the 60GB HDD with 40GB, they removed the slots for memory cards, and they removed BC completely.

[zed]

looks as ugly as sin, though Ive always said for years here the xbox360 looked better than the ps3.
Though personally Im a fan of top loaders, when you watch as many discs as me, you want a more reliable machine

[Dr Evil]

I have no problem with the way it looks. Has someone made a size comparison to the current model?

[Brad Grenz]

Originally Posted by Nesh

I dont think it was exactly that. The PS3 was a very costly piece of hardware. Sales were slow. Sony needed to lower the price fast to boost sales. Lowering the retail price without lowering manufacturing costs would have generated huge loses. So they removed 2 USB ports, they replaced the 60GB HDD with 40GB, they removed the slots for memory cards, and they removed BC completely.

They were right, too. Sales shot up after B/C was gone because, not coincidentally, it allowed them to get under $400.

[The Seventh Taylor]

Originally Posted by Dr Evil

Has someone made a size comparison to the current model?

Someone has. Several have, in fact.

[tongue_of_colicab]

I don't think it looks that bad. Anyway I don't care as long as it's cheap. Might buy one if it's ~150 SomeCurrency.

[Shifty Geezer]

Originally Posted by The Seventh Taylor

Someone has. Several have, in fact.

It's nothing like as superslim as the PSTwo. I guess it'll never get down to that size.

[Arwin]

Originally Posted by Shifty Geezer

It's nothing like as superslim as the PSTwo. I guess it'll never get down to that size.

Certainly not as long as we want to be able to put a harddrive in there, I'm guessing.