[Kaotik]

ToTTenTranz, it's not that, but just the fact that GF100/GF110 are behind times with their media features compared to Radeons and GF10x/11x

[John021]

Originally Posted by ToTTenTranz

*Spends 2500€ on a macbook every 2 years:
- OMG you're so cool, let me just touch it! Ooooh it feels so fine! I want one!

*Spends 300€ on a graphics card every 2 years:
- LOL is that a troll attempt? You're european, shouldn't you be saving money for the soup or something?

Will you please let me spend my paycheck the way I f"$#% want to?
Thank you.

BTW yes, a.. *gasp* gaming capable HTPC! I must be crazy, right?

Well not only for the soup, you should also save for the electricity, i heard it´s pretty cheap over there. *sarcasm*

I think you should have said in the first place it was a gaming machine. In my head htpc = llano or something like that

[ToTTenTranz]

Originally Posted by Kaotik

ToTTenTranz, it's not that, but just the fact that GF100/GF110 are behind times with their media features compared to Radeons and GF10x/11x

GF110 doesn't support audio bitstreaming? What else is there?

Originally Posted by John021

Well not only for the soup, you should also save for the electricity, i heard it´s pretty cheap over there. *sarcasm*

I think you should have said in the first place it was a gaming machine. In my head htpc = llano or something like that

Aaactually, there is a Llano inside, and Athlon 631 to be precise. There's just no better cpu+board bang-for-the-buck nowadays.
Non-overclockable lower cost i3 sandybridges cost twice as much as the Athlon 631 and 1155 boards with SATA 6 /USB3 also cost twice as much. I figured I'd spend part of the ~150€ I saved in going FM1 for a souped-up GPU.
So I can play Skyrim.

[gkar1]

Originally Posted by ToTTenTranz

GF110 doesn't support audio bitstreaming? What else is there?

The 570 cannot bitstream TRUEHD nor DTS-MA audio. Go get a 460/560 if you want to do that and stay Nvidia (avoid the 448 core 560 too). Even then it will fail if you try to play a 3d blu-ray.

[ToTTenTranz]

Originally Posted by gkar1

The 570 cannot bitstream TRUEHD nor DTS-MA audio. Go get a 460/560 if you want to do that and stay Nvidia (avoid the 448 core 560 too). Even then it will fail if you try to play a 3d blu-ray.

Ignorance. That's what you get for sticking too long with one vendor (in my case, ATI/AMD).
I never thought a late-2010 high-end GPU would come without TrueHD or DTS-MA bitstreaming.
Not that 7.1 PCM wouldn't be impossible decoded on the PC, but I'm connecting everything to an AV Receiver that makes sure everything is synchronized, so no way I'm leaving this be.

Plan for tomorrow: return the 570, get a HD6950 2GB for less money.
And shame on you, nVidia.
Shame on you...

[anexanhume]

Am I the only one excited for SI and GCN because of mobile graphics? Hoping to have a big performance jump over 6990m so my P150HM can have some more life if I so choose. /laptopgamer

[ToTTenTranz]

Originally Posted by anexanhume

/laptopgamer

Heresy! There is no such thing!

[psurge]

Have any of the interesting slides been uploaded anywhere yet?

[3dcgi]

Originally Posted by Gipsel

I agree that Fermis geometry handling is more advanced (I didn't say otherwise, Tahiti has no distributed Tess for instance).

What do you mean by distributed Tess? There are a few ways this could be defined.

[thatdude90210]

7970 launch moved forward to Dec 22?
http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-brin...011/14255.html

[fellix]

Originally Posted by 3dcgi

What do you mean by distributed Tess? There are a few ways this could be defined.

B3D's own analysis explains it pretty well: http://www.beyond3d.com/content/reviews/55/8

[chavvdarrr]

looks like raw geometry performance is still 2x lower than in GF110 :/

[no-X]

… and raw arithmetic and texturing power of GF110 is 2,4× lower. But raw numbers don't mean much, do they?

[fellix]

Originally Posted by no-X

… and raw arithmetic and texturing power of GF110 is 2,4× lower. But raw numbers don't mean much, do they?

GCN tex units may still be 8-bit devices, so FP16 fill-rate will be marginally faster than GF110 in this case. Of course the improved texture caching could have further impact.

[no-X]

I think full-speed FP16 texture filtering isn't really helpful these days - with the exception of 3DMark, of course.

[DegustatoR]

Originally Posted by neliz

Hmm. and my numbers say it's a lot (and I mean, a lot) better than Cayman, but we'll see next year.

I highly doubt that it can even possibly be a lot better than Cayman. Or did you mean Cypress? Then yes, it may well be better.

Originally Posted by neliz

(btw, 500 pieces sounds like the availability of the 590 at launch.)

What's 590, 480 and any other NV's videocard have to do with Tahiti ending up supply limited for a couple of months? Who's trolling here?

[no-X]

DegustatoR: I have been confirmed by two independent sources, that there's nothing indicating bad availability of HD 79xx. Are you really sure this is going to be a soft launch?

[fellix]

Originally Posted by no-X

I think full-speed FP16 texture filtering isn't really helpful these days - with the exception of 3DMark, of course.

Yup. Given the sheer amount of texture quads available it's probably pointless anyway. I guess NV did implement full-rate FP16 for Fermi for exactly this reason, to compensate for the slight step back in raw texture throughput compared to GT200.

[Alexko]

Originally Posted by DegustatoR

I highly doubt that it can even possibly be a lot better than Cayman.

Why?

[Rangers]

http://translate.google.com/translat...ardware.com%2F

OBR says 7970 has 15% better 3dmark11 than GTX 580.

Then says difference in games is significantly less.

I mean, it's way too early to say but indications plus my hunch are it's maybe 30% faster than 6970, in line with having 33% more shaders. A tad disappointing, but OK I guess seeing as the competition doesn't exist yet.

And everytime I've been disappointed with a AMD part in recent memory, Nvidia comes along and does not much better, keeping things status quo. Just as GTX 580 didn't blow away 6970...so I might expect that to continue.

[fellix]

Well, sure we can blame immature driver base for all the woes, at least for now. 3DM'11 is certainly not limited by the geometry throughput, at least for the top GPUs -- it uses rather modest tessellation.

[air_ii]

Originally Posted by Rangers

I mean, it's way too early to say but indications plus my hunch are it's maybe 30% faster than 6970, in line with having 33% more shaders. A tad disappointing, but OK I guess seeing as the competition doesn't exist yet.

There's 33% more shaders, but we don't know anything about the efficiency of the new arch.

OBR's previous pre-launch activities taught me to be very sceptical about his revelations.

[simbus82]

Originally Posted by Rangers

http://translate.google.com/translat...ardware.com%2F

OBR says 7970 has 15% better 3dmark11 than GTX 580.

it is ridiculous to give even an ounce of confidence to OBR.

[Ailuros]

I'm keeping a couple of notes for the interesting technical stuff from those slides and will wait for independent 3rd party reviews for performance comparisons. Why should anyone even trust any IHV's marketing performance figures anyway?

[DegustatoR]

Originally Posted by no-X

DegustatoR: I have been confirmed by two independent sources, that there's nothing indicating bad availability of HD 79xx. Are you really sure this is going to be a soft launch?

Yes, I am. It'll be very limited up until January at least and there is a possibility that it'll be limited even after that. But we'll see, there is a lot of noise out there right now.

Originally Posted by Alexko

Why?

Because Cayman wasn't in short supply at all since it launched on a 40G and not some new and unproven process.

Originally Posted by Rangers

I mean, it's way too early to say but indications plus my hunch are it's maybe 30% faster than 6970, in line with having 33% more shaders. A tad disappointing, but OK I guess seeing as the competition doesn't exist yet.

It should be closer to +40-50% at least with spikes of up to +70-100% in some cases. But you have to remember the price which is supposedly much higher this time. And competition should be here pretty soon (at least nowhere near 6 months someone is expecting in this thread).