Welcome, Unregistered.

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Reply
Old 25-Jan-2012, 01:07   #1151
Sxotty
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Under a Crushing Burden
Posts: 4,355
Default

People might be afraid of it happening actually as opposed to hoping that one of them will disappear. I am much more worried about Nvidia disappearing since Intel must have AMD around.
__________________
You bought horse armor didn't you?
Sxotty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-Jan-2012, 01:08   #1152
hatter
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 32
Default On twitter

From Charlie's twitter thread:

Quote:
More on this soon, there is a BIG secret in the Kepler line. It will take a long article though, so not RSN.
And in response to:

Quote:
You've said on the forums at SA that the 7970 will be better in performance than the GK104 but what about the 580 to the GK104?
He said:

Quote:
It is really nuanced. I am working on this now, all I can say is stay tuned.
hatter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-Jan-2012, 01:29   #1153
trinibwoy
Meh
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: New York
Posts: 9,979
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rangers View Post
Huh? You do realize 6970 is priced like $330 vs $550 for GTX 580, and is more like an equal to GTX 570 in performance?
The 580 is only 15% faster than a 6970, which has a $370 MSRP btw.

Quote:
You seem to be vastly overrating 6970 performance for some reason.
Nope you're underrating it.

Quote:
Nvidia is magically able to be teh more profitable with the big dice.
What's so magical about stating facts? Is that not the case?
__________________
What the deuce!?
trinibwoy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-Jan-2012, 01:39   #1154
Alexko
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 2,863
Send a message via MSN to Alexko
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by trinibwoy View Post
The 580 is only 15% faster than a 6970, which has a $370 MSRP btw.
Newegg currently has one for $304.99 with Rebate + $7.87 Shipping, though. Tahiti has more memory, but is a bit smaller, albeit on a more expensive process. All in all, and even though I'm sure AMD would love to keep it closer to $500, it should remain quite profitable around $300~350.
__________________
"Well, you mentioned Disneyland, I thought of this porn site, and then bam! A blue Hulk." —The Creature
My (currently dormant) blog: Teχlog
Alexko is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-Jan-2012, 01:39   #1155
Rangers
Regular
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 9,266
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by trinibwoy View Post
The 580 is only 15% faster than a 6970, which has a $370 MSRP btw.



Nope you're underrating it.



What's so magical about stating facts? Is that not the case?
So $370 MSRP (if even true) that streets for $330 is supposed to be a huge difference from $300? Why not just admit you were wrong?

Edit: checking newegg it's true there's one model for 325/300, but most are 349 before rebate. I'm willing to be generous and even concede a 350 price, I dont think that changes the debate much.

I'm underrating 6970's performance by stating it's less than 580 and more of a 570 competitor? Nope, fraid I'm exactly right actually.

What's magical is basically stating that die size is meaningless to cost, which is basically what you have tried to do in the past in a roundabout, obfuscating way. As I said, in this thread it's funny how die size became important to cost again all that sudden, now that it's presumed GK104 may have a tiny die or some type of die size advantage. Just funny that's all.
Rangers is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-Jan-2012, 02:01   #1156
trinibwoy
Meh
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: New York
Posts: 9,979
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rangers View Post
So $370 MSRP (if even true) that streets for $330 is supposed to be a huge difference from $300? Why not just admit you were wrong?
You must be arguing with yourself. I stated that it's been a long time since AMD has had to fight nVidia's second tier chip with their largest. How is the fact the 6970 matches the 570 and competes with the 580 proving me wrong exactly? I don't even know what point you're making....

Quote:
I'm underrating 6970's performance by stating it's less than 580 and more of a 570 competitor? Nope, fraid I'm exactly right actually.
We're discussing a possible Tahiti vs GK104 scenario. How is the current situation of Cayman vs GF110 representative? Care to explain that?

Quote:
What's magical is basically stating that die size is meaningless to cost, which is basically what you have tried to do
You really should spend more time reading and less time reacting. I said nVidia's costs have nothing to do with AMD's profit potential so a die size comparison is useless. nVidia is willing and able to sell its larger dies at similar prices to AMD's smaller ones, they've done so for years now. i.e. die size and performance parity is certainly not a sign of fair weather for AMD.

Not sure how else to say it to make it clearer.
__________________
What the deuce!?
trinibwoy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-Jan-2012, 02:15   #1157
Sunrise
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 306
Default

<deleted>
Sunrise is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-Jan-2012, 02:17   #1158
iMacmatician
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: United States of America
Posts: 451
Default

For GK104? GK110? Something else?
iMacmatician is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-Jan-2012, 08:31   #1159
psolord
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 413
Default

Hey guys.

I've been thinking....could GK104 actually come with a 384bit bus, despite the 2GB framebuffer?

I could be wrong, but hasn't this already been done, with the GTX 550 Ti having 192bit bus and 1GB framebuffer?
psolord is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-Jan-2012, 08:32   #1160
AnarchX
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,495
Default

Quote:
The chip is quite small, and has 8 GDDR5 chips meaning a 256-bit bus/2GB standard
http://semiaccurate.com/2012/01/19/n...-clear-winner/

384-bit = 12 chips
AnarchX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-Jan-2012, 08:45   #1161
DegustatoR
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: msk.ru/spb.ru
Posts: 1,311
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by no-X View Post
I belive the fastest GPU isn't going to be launched anytime soon.
Ah but it will. Although it depends on your definition of "soon" I guess.
DegustatoR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-Jan-2012, 10:05   #1162
psolord
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 413
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AnarchX View Post
I missed that info. Thanks.
psolord is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-Jan-2012, 10:05   #1163
entity279
Member
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Romania
Posts: 438
Send a message via Yahoo to entity279
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DegustatoR View Post
Ah but it will. Although it depends on your definition of "soon" I guess.

Or depends on yours
entity279 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-Jan-2012, 11:46   #1164
Man from Atlantis
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Istanbul
Posts: 728
Default

NVIDIA - "We expected more from Radeon HD 7900"
__________________
SiS 6326 > Ti 4200 > 9800XT > 9800GT > GTX 460
Celeron 366 > Celeron 1700 > Athlon XP 2500+ > E6300 > Q9650
Man from Atlantis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-Jan-2012, 12:08   #1165
Alexko
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 2,863
Send a message via MSN to Alexko
Default

Reminds me of this: http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.p...postcount=2339
__________________
"Well, you mentioned Disneyland, I thought of this porn site, and then bam! A blue Hulk." —The Creature
My (currently dormant) blog: Teχlog
Alexko is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-Jan-2012, 13:27   #1166
DarthShader
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Land of Mu
Posts: 350
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AnarchX View Post
384-bit = 12 chips
What about the GTX550Ti with a 192 bit bus and 1GB Ram? Same trick could be used here.
DarthShader is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-Jan-2012, 13:46   #1167
AnarchX
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,495
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthShader View Post
What about the GTX550Ti with a 192 bit bus and 1GB Ram? Same trick could be used here.
550Ti has 6 memory chips (4x128MiB + 2x256MiB). Minimum for 384-bit bus are 12 chips (12*32-bit ).
AnarchX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-Jan-2012, 13:48   #1168
Gipsel
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Hamburg, Germany
Posts: 1,450
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Man from Atlantis View Post
What did they expect? I would be genuinely suprised if they thought AMD's 365mm˛ chip were going to beat their own ~500mm˛ GPU on the same process. Of course Kepler "will have no problem taking down Radeon HD 7900". If nV would think differently, they would expect a massive failure on their side.
Gipsel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-Jan-2012, 14:05   #1169
psolord
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 413
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthShader View Post
What about the GTX550Ti with a 192 bit bus and 1GB Ram? Same trick could be used here.
I was thinking the same thing, without being aware that we knew the number of the chips as well.

If we only knew that it was 2GBs, we could have a 384bit bus with two of those.



edit: I should refresh more often. oh well.
psolord is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-Jan-2012, 14:36   #1170
Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.
Regular
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 6,358
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Man from Atlantis View Post
What, a massive chip clocked and volted to the edge of it's life that draws 400 watts and sometimes explodes, all in order to win benchmarks for the small number you ship?
Bouncing Zabaglione Bros. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-Jan-2012, 14:36   #1171
trinibwoy
Meh
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: New York
Posts: 9,979
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gipsel View Post
What did they expect? I would be genuinely suprised if they thought AMD's 365mm˛ chip were going to beat their own ~500mm˛ GPU on the same process. Of course Kepler "will have no problem taking down Radeon HD 7900". If nV would think differently, they would expect a massive failure on their side.
They are of course just bullshitting because they have nothing to show now but why do you assume they're comparing it to their ~500mm˛ GPU?
__________________
What the deuce!?
trinibwoy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-Jan-2012, 14:46   #1172
AlexV
Heteroscedasticitate
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 2,433
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gipsel View Post
What did they expect? I would be genuinely suprised if they thought AMD's 365mm˛ chip were going to beat their own ~500mm˛ GPU on the same process. Of course Kepler "will have no problem taking down Radeon HD 7900". If nV would think differently, they would expect a massive failure on their side.
This is marketing gaga, why people take it at face value is beyond me (assuming rationality and no "Oh my ceilingcat, IHV X makes me cream my underwear just by existing" nonsense). Remember when Cypress launched? Some NV twitter feed was something along the lines of "is that all they've got? That's weak, we'll have hugely better stuff really soon now!!!!". I think we all know how that panned out (as a note, all those tempted to go on the "yes, it clearly resulted in the fastest chip with epic compute and great tessellation", I'm familiar with that rhethoric thank you). Remember the JF_AMD chap and BD, and the buildup? Yeah, we know how that turned out as well (I'm familiar with his weak excuse for that one too). I don't see any difference here - any public facing fellow worth his salt won't be allowed to say anything else.
__________________
Donald Knuth: Science is what we understand well enough to explain to a computer. Art is everything else we do.
AlexV is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 25-Jan-2012, 14:51   #1173
GZ007
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 416
Default

AMD lost a lot of efficieny with CGN architecture to catch up with Fermi. With Fermi tweaks and 28nm shrink kepler could be much better than the overpriced 6970 - 7970 performance jump.
GZ007 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-Jan-2012, 14:53   #1174
CarstenS
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Germany
Posts: 2,965
Send a message via ICQ to CarstenS
Default

Honestly, guys. What do you expect Nvidia to say other than that?

"Oh, godsdamnit, we need to cull GK104 and shell out GK110 as soon as it's ready for half the price we've intended to?"
__________________
English is not my native tongue. Before flaming please consider the possiblity that I did not mean to say what you might have read from my posts.
Work| Recreation
Warning! This posting may contain unhealthy doses of gross humor, sarcastic remarks and exaggeration!
CarstenS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-Jan-2012, 14:57   #1175
AlexV
Heteroscedasticitate
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 2,433
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by GZ007 View Post
AMD lost a lot of efficieny with CGN architecture to catch up with Fermi. With Fermi tweaks and 28nm shrink kepler could be much better than the overpriced 6970 - 7970 performance jump.
Random statement is random, pulled out of thin air. Are we basing this on how many Crysis-fps it gets in site x's set of bar-charts? There's a bit more to Tahiti than has been ascertained into the first waves of coverage. Tahiti is a very nice chip to work with, and GCN looks quite solid architecturally.
__________________
Donald Knuth: Science is what we understand well enough to explain to a computer. Art is everything else we do.
AlexV is online now   Reply With Quote

Reply

Tags
gk110, gk210, kepler, wait for it

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 18:27.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.