[trinibwoy]

Originally Posted by Kaotik

Based on what? Do you know how many wafers each is getting per month?

Exactly, we don't know. Hence the "better planning" angle is BS without sales numbers.

[Dave Baumann]

Originally Posted by trinibwoy

Exactly, we don't know. Hence the "better planning" angle is BS without sales numbers.

At this point you are still coming through the planning phase. Its not BS, its a simple fact.

[trinibwoy]

Originally Posted by Dave Baumann

At this point you are still coming through the planning phase. Its not BS, its a simple fact.

What is a fact? The availability of 28nm parts in the retail channel is a simple case of demand trailing supply. That tells us nothing about how well AMD planned its wafer sourcing from TSMC. How do we know that you guys didn't overestimate demand?

Same goes the other way around. nVidia is obviously not meeting demand. Is that due to poor yields, poor planning or simply lack of capacity at TSMC? We have no numbers.

More specifically, how do you plan for high demand if your supplier is capacity constrained? Make the product less attractive? Increase prices (this has arguably already happened) ?

[lanek]

Originally Posted by Dr Evil

I wrote this in another thread.



I've been discussing this issue with EVGA and just got word that they are aware of the issue and working on it. Basically the card throttles if temps go too low. It appears that this point is somewhere in the region of 43-44c as evidenced by my post. The temps were around there when it briefly boosted normally again. The problem is that in order for me to reach temps of 44c on the GPU I needed to simultaneously run Furmark and Prime 95 on a overclocked system and in a room with higher than normal ambient temperature... There is no way in hell I can reach that temp with regular gaming loads, unless I power off some radiator fans. Might have to try that actually.

Not really what I was looking for when decided to do water cooling, but it seems in the PC world, one just has to run into weird shit sometimes...

Thats really damn strange, i know 670 had a limit set at 70°C before throttling, but i wasnt know this is a problem when lower temp is set.

[Dr Evil]

Originally Posted by lanek

Thats really damn strange, i know 670 had a limit set at 70°C before throttling, but i wasnt know this is a problem when lower temp is set.

Yup a strange issue. I did some further testing and the throttling point seems to be pretty much exactly 43c on this card at least. Once the temp rises to 43c the card starts to use 1.175v and higher boost Mhz again. I hope this issue will be fixed soon.

[keldor314]

Originally Posted by trinibwoy

What is a fact? The availability of 28nm parts in the retail channel is a simple case of demand trailing supply. That tells us nothing about how well AMD planned its wafer sourcing from TSMC. How do we know that you guys didn't overestimate demand?

Same goes the other way around. nVidia is obviously not meeting demand. Is that due to poor yields, poor planning or simply lack of capacity at TSMC? We have no numbers.

More specifically, how do you plan for high demand if your supplier is capacity constrained? Make the product less attractive? Increase prices (this has arguably already happened) ?

Honestly. Nvidia is selling so many parts that their suppliers can't keep up, and you're saying this is a bad thing??

[Homeles]

Originally Posted by keldor314

Honestly. Nvidia is selling so many parts that their suppliers can't keep up, and you're saying this is a bad thing??

That's not what he's saying. He's saying it can be taken either way -- good or bad. The good scenario being where Nvidia is selling so much product that TSMC can't keep up, or the bad scenario, where TSMC has such awful production of Kepler than Nvidia can't sell anything.

[gamervivek]

Useless survey as it displays all Kepler-based cards as GTX 680 (GK107-based 640M/650M too).

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=1#post5111231

[UniversalTruth]

Originally Posted by gamervivek

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=1#post5111231

So mean from NV and its partners. I suspect they pay for this reasonable amount of money.
Why am I not surprised, not at all?

Anyway, this explains a lot.

[MDolenc]

Yes... A random post somewhere on the web from someone who doesn't know what he's talking about always explains everything.
Have you wondered why for example there is a 7970 and 7950 on the list but on the other hand there is just "7800 Series"? This is exact same string as you see if you run for example dxdiag in the display tab under "name". Or the graphics card name that GPU-Z displays for example.

But of course an conspiracy theory involving NV paying millions of $ (that they get from selling their Kepler cards) to Valve just to hide the fact that they are really not selling well (so that they really don't have millions of $ to pay Valve in the first place) is much more likely. All we need now are some "sources" claiming that they seen their graphics card become a GeForce GTX 680 instead of GeForce 6100 for a second or two while steam survey decided to run and we have a semi accurate front page news!

[UniversalTruth]

Originally Posted by MDolenc

But of course an conspiracy theory involving NV paying millions of $ (that they get from selling their Kepler cards) to Valve just to hide the fact that they are really not selling well

Well, I see your logic but in this case the spent money might be considered as pure PR, or a pure advertisement. Who wants to be seen in people's eyes in poor light or bad reputation?

[trinibwoy]

Originally Posted by UniversalTruth

Well, I see your logic but in this case the spent money might be considered as pure PR, or a pure advertisement. Who wants to be seen in people's eyes in poor light or bad reputation?

What spent money? You mean the spent money you just made up in your head based on a random one-liner on a internet forum? Lol...man we've hit rock bottom.

Though it is strange that no 650m's or 670's show up in the survey. Will see next month.

[A1xLLcqAgt0qc2RyMz0y]

Originally Posted by MDolenc

But of course an conspiracy theory involving NV paying millions of $ (that they get from selling their Kepler cards) to Valve just to hide the fact that they are really not selling well (so that they really don't have millions of $ to pay Valve in the first place) is much more likely. All we need now are some "sources" claiming that they seen their graphics card become a GeForce GTX 680 instead of GeForce 6100 for a second or two while steam survey decided to run and we have a semi accurate front page news!

Oh God NO we may yet see an article just as you described by charlie and his followers (sheep) like Universal-AMD-Troll will swallow it whole and regurgitate it over and over again.

[Dave Baumann]

Originally Posted by MDolenc

Have you wondered why for example there is a 7970 and 7950 on the list but on the other hand there is just "7800 Series"?

Valve will detect both the device_id and driver string. By default the numbers appear to report by the driver string, but because we report series sometimes they will translate the device_id's to individual product names. They look to have already done that for Tahiti and not Pitcairn - it is not necessarily consistent though as, for instance, the GeForce GTX 560 listing is collating for about 4 different variants of product configuration (560 base, 560 Ti, 560 448, 560 OEM).

[xDxD]

http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/art...ysx-benchmark/

[Gipsel]

Originally Posted by xDxD

http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/art...ysx-benchmark/

And?

I wonder why they have omitted the numbers of the GTX580 from the graphs. Was probably too close to the GTX670/680 scores.

[Chalnoth]

Originally Posted by Gipsel

And?

I wonder why they have omitted the numbers of the GTX580 from the graphs. Was probably too close to the GTX670/680 scores.

I believe this is because the cards in that graph are currently their flagship parts for those market segments.

[A1xLLcqAgt0qc2RyMz0y]

Originally Posted by Chalnoth

I believe this is because the cards in that graph are currently their flagship parts for those market segments.

Yes that seems to be correct.

GTX690 $999.99
GTX680 $499.99
GTX670 $399.99
GTX570 $249.99
GTX560ti $179.99 w/rebate
GTX550ti $93.99 w/rebate
GTX460 $114.99 w/rebate

It appears that the GTX460 may be at end-of-life as its price is higher (and rising) compared to the GTX550ti.

As for the GTX580 the prices are $380, $430, $600, $630 and $640. So it appears that the GTX580 is also end-of-lifed.

All prices above are from Newegg.com

[kalelovil]

Originally Posted by A1xLLcqAgt0qc2RyMz0y

It appears that the GTX460 may be at end-of-life as its price is higher (and rising) compared to the GTX550ti.

It is also a significantly faster card, so that is to be selected.
The only reason the 550ti scored equally in some of those benchmarks is that the benchmark was automatically scaling its physics workload based on the number of cuda cores available.

[pjbliverpool]

Originally Posted by Gipsel

And?

I wonder why they have omitted the numbers of the GTX580 from the graphs. Was probably too close to the GTX670/680 scores.

Why would you assume that? This isn't a compute benchmark, it's a gaming and physX benchmark and in gaming and physX, the 680 and 670 walk straight over the 580 with ease.

[xDxD]

http://wccftech.com/details-surface-...graphics-card/

[Alexko]

Originally Posted by pjbliverpool

Why would you assume that? This isn't a compute benchmark, it's a gaming and physX benchmark and in gaming and physX, the 680 and 670 walk straight over the 580 with ease.

Considering how close the 570 is…

[Chalnoth]

Originally Posted by xDxD

http://wccftech.com/details-surface-...graphics-card/

One thing I'm curious about is whether or not it will support three displays. Obviously it won't have the graphics power to use three displays for newer games, but it seems like it would be nice for people who would like to have three displays for desktop usage.

I know I'd love to have a three display setup for my work PC...

[CarstenS]

Ever considered a Radeon then? I hear 7700 series is pretty nice for that.

[UniversalTruth]

New Details about GTX 680 with Passive Cooling