[eastmen]

Originally Posted by patsu

I read it only sold out in some areas. In others, there are still plenty left. Still a good start though. Hope Sony keeps rolling out innovative services and integrate them together.

it sold out here quickly but after two weeks there was more stock and now you can find it without going to more than two stores.

[scently]

Originally Posted by NavNucST3

Every time I see Dance Central I think the naysayers will be surprised come this holiday with sales numbers for Kinect and select titles.

Now all MSFT needs to develop in concert with another publisher is a kiosk that encourages people to try it using the Kinect featureset as an almost "self-aware" kiosk.

Customer walks by the kiosk
Kinect: Hey, you!
Customer: [looks at kiosk]
Kinect: Yes, you! (Kinect displays the video of the person looking at the kiosk)
Kinect: Just wave at me to give me a try!
Customer: [waves]
Kinect: Are you ready to get your dance on or would you rather have an adventure?
Kinect: [on screen prompt] Say "Dance" or Say "Adventure"
Customer: Dance
[Dance Central loads]

Sure there are a slew of problems with the above scenario but it does incorporate many of Kinects selling points.

Interesting concept. Would be compelling if it can work.

[zed]

Sure there are a slew of problems with the above scenario but it does incorporate many of
Kinects selling points.

Is that you molyneux?
Sounds a bit like your project milo idea (you know the one that got canned recently cause it was technically unfeasible )

[Shifty Geezer]

Originally Posted by zed

Is that you molyneux?
Sounds a bit like your project milo idea (you know the one that got canned recently cause it was technically unfeasible )

Nothing in NavNucST3's example was particularly complex or prone to failure. Voice recognition between two known words is easy enough. The end result would be pretty compelling in a store, I think! Would be a great way to attract attention.

[Squilliam]

I don't think that Sony undershipped because they lacked Move controllers. I think Sony are keeping the Move under-supplied to give the impression that its a hot item.

[NavNucST3]

Originally Posted by Shifty Geezer

Nothing in NavNucST3's example was particularly complex or prone to failure. Voice recognition between two known words is easy enough. The end result would be pretty compelling in a store, I think! Would be a great way to attract attention.

These are things that actually happen anyway. You wave at Kinect to get the Kinect Hub to open, we already know you can launch a game or movie through voice. Microsoft is collecting LOTS of voice data. Both Kinect Adventures and Dance Central use the camera functionality to show you a single snapshot in a given moment(Adventures) or multiple snapshots to simulate stop motion(Dance Central).

As far as prone to failure, in a retail environment, I'm sure we could think of numerous ways where it would fail or perhaps not perform as well as had hoped but for someone to suggest that simply waving and saying Dance or Adventures is akin to attempting to recreate an emotional bond between an on-screen AI and a person through natural conversation progression, is ridiculous. Besides the "hey you come play with me!" everything else is stuff that as of the E3 and/or Macy's build, is already being done.

[patsu]

I pre-ordered mine because the local GameStop dudette told me the original supply of DS3 was somewhat limited. So this may be yet another channel jumpstart hurdle. Once the initial demand spike tapers off, we all should be ok.

I don't think the official sources are reporting stock out anyway. Only anecdotal observations by individual gamers.

[V3]

I doubt they under supplied on purpose. Sony haven't launched in Japan yet.

[upnorthsox]

Originally Posted by patsu

I pre-ordered mine because the local GameStop dudette told me the original supply of DS3 was somewhat limited. So this may be yet another channel jumpstart hurdle. Once the initial demand spike tapers off, we all should be ok.

I don't think the official sources are reporting stock out anyway. Only anecdotal observations by individual gamers.

Not really,

Amazon sold out with 2-4 weeks backorder, Target out of stock 2-4 weeks, only in stock is selling at a $10-20 premium.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...&condition=new

Walmart out of stock

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Playstatio...-Move/14658864

Best Buy out of stock 2-4 weeks

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Sony+-+P...&skuId=1122178

[patsu]

Yeah, but has Sony or any retailers openly warn/b*tch about stock out ? e.g., There may be sufficient units, but not allocated properly by the retail chains internally. The situation may not last long (As in more are en route to destinations, and Sony can make more easily).

Who's selling at a premium ?

[Nesh]

Starter packs all out of supply over my areas as well. Moves, there are some to be found but not many. Simply because the majority need a PSEye first and thus the Starter pack is what they need and a secondary controller next

[Silent_Buddha]

How about the Move PS3 bundle (the 399? USD one). Is that one also selling out in areas?

Regards,
SB

[patsu]

I doubt it. My local GameStop, Target, BestBuy have the new controllers in stock (a few units).

I think more gamers are waiting to buy the GT5 bundle as opposed to the Sports Champions bundle.

[Silent_Buddha]

Nod, it's about what I was expecting. It would prove popular with currently owners of PS3, but wouldn't be triggering a sudden demand spike among people that don't already own a PS3.

Regards,
SB

[upnorthsox]

Originally Posted by patsu

I doubt it. My local GameStop, Target, BestBuy have the new controllers in stock (a few units).
I think more gamers are waiting to buy the GT5 bundle as opposed to the Sports Champions bundle.

Ah, you're the ancedotal individual gamers, I see now,

[patsu]

Exactly. As I said, there is no official reports of stock out. It's just individual gamers reporting their own findings. It'd be your words against mine. If you read the GAF thread, you'd see that some see stock outs in their areas, while others can find abundant supply.

If sufficient units are being shipped to the channels as we speak, the inventory situation will improve. They have to prepare for the shopping season.

Your amazon link seems to indicate they have Move controller in stock again.

EDIT: Heh heh, from 13 units down to 2 within minutes.

[upnorthsox]

Originally Posted by patsu

Yeah, but has Sony or any retailers openly warn/b*tch about stock out ? e.g., There may be sufficient units, but not allocated properly by the retail chains internally. The situation may not last long (As in more are en route to destinations, and Sony can make more easily).

Who's selling at a premium ?

Not Sony, but then we didn;t hear anything official during the Feb/Mar stock out of the ps3 either. 4 major retailers posting 2-4 week stock outs isn't a warning? Tough crowd.

I don't think it'll last long either, that doesn't mean they didn't underestimate demand though.

The Amazon link I had posted goes to the all sellers page where 12 other sellers are at a premium (some of those don't actually have it in stock though) and double checking the link I see that some have raised their price since I posted before with one selling at 79.99 or $30 over retail.

[patsu]

Originally Posted by upnorthsox

Not Sony, but then we didn;t hear anything official during the Feb/Mar stock out of the ps3 either.

http://www.pushsquare.com/11224/sony...xt-few-months/

4 major retailers posting 2-4 week stock outs isn't a warning? Tough crowd.

We need to know the supply side story to know if it's an issue.

2-4 weeks is just the retailers' standard operating policies.

Amazon's Move inventory went up to 3 now.

[upnorthsox]

Originally Posted by patsu

http://www.pushsquare.com/11224/sony...xt-few-months/



We need to know the supply side story to know if it's an issue.

2-4 weeks is just the retailers' standard operating policies.

Amazon's Move inventory went up to 3 now.

I guess we'll see.

Mine still says out of stock.

Edit: That link reminded me that the ps3 stock out actually started in January, Sony didn't say anything until just before NPD came out when they'd have to say something.

[patsu]

They may need to understand the demand before concluding that their supply can't catch up. If the Move demand grows and sustains beyond their expectation for too long, and they can't do anything to the supply or allocation, then they are in "trouble".

[manux]

In finland it looks like at least the net stores have sold out standalone move controllers. There is fresh and good supply of starter packs though

[Shifty Geezer]

I'm somewhat confused, for if Move is selling that well, why haven't we heard a triumphant announcement from Sony, "Move sells xxx devices in its first week," sort of thing? The number can't be that impressive overall.

[Rotmm]

Originally Posted by Shifty Geezer

I'm somewhat confused, for if Move is selling that well, why haven't we heard a triumphant announcement from Sony, "Move sells xxx devices in its first week," sort of thing? The number can't be that impressive overall.

I think you have the situation where a number of users want to find out of stocks for some perverse reason, but that the case isn't so clear cut. For example, upnorthsox posted links showing out of stocks on the single Move controllers, while ignoring the fact that those same sites had the bundle in stock. So Move is far from out of stock.

However, Sony may have either, (a) misunderstood the product mix needed between bundles and those already with a PSEye, (b) underestimated how many users would pick up a 2nd, 3rd and 4th Move controller or (c) limited the amount of Move controllers going into the marketplace in an attempt to sell the more profitable bundles.

I suspect it's a mixture of all 3, but heavily weighted toward c.

It's kinda similar to when there were "out of stocks" on the PS3 Slim earlier in the year, and the fact Sony didn't trumpet the fact until much later. Well, the reason was that there was generally plenty of PS3 Slim, but only of the $50 premium 250GB versions. And if Sony came out them and talked about out of stocks, people would have pointed to the fact that it was only of a specific sku. The same now. It would be difficult to hail stock issues with the Move, only to have it pointed out that the Move bundle is in plentiful supply.

[goonergaz]

Originally Posted by Shifty Geezer

Nothing in NavNucST3's example was particularly complex or prone to failure. Voice recognition between two known words is easy enough. The end result would be pretty compelling in a store, I think! Would be a great way to attract attention.

Just as likely to lose potential sales if it doesn't work properly due to lighting/background noise/other issues (etc).

I dare say eyetoy could do something similar - it doesn't sound overly difficult but like I said, without it being 100% fool proof it isn't going to happen IMHO.

Can't wait to hear "real life" feedback about Kinect...hope it's as positive as Move has been.

[patsu]

They will need to stock up for the shopping season. The bundles may do just fine. Sony will likely ship more standalone Move controllers based on demand.

PS3 Slim situation was due to unexpectedly high demand. They only made so much for the rest of fiscal year. I think there was yet another revision that Sony shipped this fiscal year.