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_phil_ · 11-Jul-2011, 08:53

http://twitter.com/#!/ID_AA_Carmack

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No AA on the console Rage versions. Holding 60 fps even without it is about the limit of what we can achieve.

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For Rage data streaming, PC HD full install > 360 HD full install > PS3 partial install > 360 HD cache > 360 DVD

Full Install is 3 DVD.

Rangers · 11-Jul-2011, 09:14

Another interesting one

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ID_AA_Carmack John Carmack
@michael_mike1 we do adaptive resolution scaling, so it does shrink down under heavy load, but it holds 720p almost all the time

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ID_AA_Carmack John Carmack
@dtraingames unfortunately, all 3 dvds need to be installed, so 21 GB. PS3 doesn't allow this much, so only partial is an option there.

If all 3 are installed and only the first 1 needs to be in the machine to eliminate disc swapping that would be nice (but I think we've had this discussion before and unclear if Microsoft allows this). I have I think 57GB left on my 120GB 360 so it could fit.

hoho · 11-Jul-2011, 09:48

Anyone has any information about how many XBoxes are there with 20G or no HDD's? I smell a whole lot of returned games if installing on HDD is mandatory as I doubt people think about checking the requirements on a console game

sebbbi · 11-Jul-2011, 10:03

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Originally Posted by hoho

Anyone has any information about how many XBoxes are there with 20G or no HDD's? I smell a whole lot of returned games if installing on HDD is mandatory as I doubt people think about checking the requirements on a console game

And the S-model with 4GB of internal memory has been really popular as well. As far as I remember, the Kinect bundle was selling really well.

V3 · 11-Jul-2011, 11:30

From the sound of it install is not mandatory with X360. It might be for PS3 version.

dragonelite · 11-Jul-2011, 11:55

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Originally Posted by Rangers

Another interesting one

If all 3 are installed and only the first 1 needs to be in the machine to eliminate disc swapping that would be nice (but I think we've had this discussion before and unclear if Microsoft allows this). I have I think 57GB left on my 120GB 360 so it could fit.

Forza 3 did this 2nd disk acted like dlc pack.
So maybe the waste lands on disk 2 and 3 can act like dlc and to play from hdd disk1 exe is needed.

Rangers · 11-Jul-2011, 14:40

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Originally Posted by V3

From the sound of it install is not mandatory with X360. It might be for PS3 version.

I dont think there's ever been a game with mandatory install on 360 so, no. Plus Carmack already outlined the speed of the options with X360>from DVD the slowest.

hoho · 11-Jul-2011, 17:51

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I dont think there's ever been a game with mandatory install on 360

There have been, at least I've seen mentions about some football/rugby games being mentioned that needed it. Unfortunately I can't recall any names. Also, wasn't it so that GTA4 crashed pretty reliably when you took a fast enough vehicle and drove faster than the box could stream in new data?

egoless · 11-Jul-2011, 18:22

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Originally Posted by hoho

Anyone has any information about how many XBoxes are there with 20G or no HDD's? I smell a whole lot of returned games if installing on HDD is mandatory as I doubt people think about checking the requirements on a console game

Likewise, it would be interesting to know how many of the lowest end PS3 model (the 20GB unit) are still out there, and what these people do for required mandatory installs across more than a handful of games.

Cornsnake · 11-Jul-2011, 21:17

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Likewise, it would be interesting to know how many of the lowest end PS3 model (the 20GB unit) are still out there, and what these people do for required mandatory installs across more than a handful of games.

There is always the option to replace it with a bigger HDD.

egoless · 11-Jul-2011, 21:58

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There is always the option to replace it with a bigger HDD.

Yes, which is the same case for the 360. Storage was always required for some things on both systems. It doesn't matter if it's external flash cards, internal system flash, a usb flash device, or a HDD. It's just a different form of storage for some activities.

So the consumer buying the lowest end model, or the consumer with premium system that has a full drive, is making no different choice with Rage (if Rage requires storage) than any other activity mandating install space.

Lucid_Dreamer · 12-Jul-2011, 01:26

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Originally Posted by egoless

Likewise, it would be interesting to know how many of the lowest end PS3 model (the 20GB unit) are still out there, and what these people do for required mandatory installs across more than a handful of games.

Thereweren't many sold in the first place. The model was quickly discontinued. Plus, you could just wipe a previous install and move on. That is an option on HDD units.

djskribbles · 12-Jul-2011, 03:05

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Originally Posted by egoless

Likewise, it would be interesting to know how many of the lowest end PS3 model (the 20GB unit) are still out there, and what these people do for required mandatory installs across more than a handful of games.

I doubt there are that many 20GB ps3 owners, and even if there are, I bet most of them upgraded the HDD like I did as soon as I bought mine (I have a 120GB slim now).

swaaye · 12-Jul-2011, 04:31

Can you guys put a SSD in your Xbox or PS3? Swap out that notebook HDD. That ought to bring some benefits.

dragonelite · 12-Jul-2011, 09:32

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Can you guys put a SSD in your Xbox or PS3? Swap out that notebook HDD. That ought to bring some benefits.

I believe you can put a ssd in a ps3 on the 360 you can't there are like 6 different drivers of 360 disk in the loop with the biggest being 250gig at 10k rpm if im not mistaken.

V3 · 12-Jul-2011, 11:46

250 GB 10k rpm hdd ? are you sure ?

dragonelite · 12-Jul-2011, 18:16

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250 GB 10k rpm hdd ? are you sure ?

Just googled it again made a mistake it's 7.2k rpm.

kagemaru · 12-Jul-2011, 18:53

Still don't understand why MS won't allow people to install multi-disc games and just play from disc 1. It would be a simple solution to their multi-disc problem, but they won't allow it for some reason.

egoless · 12-Jul-2011, 23:41

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Still don't understand why MS won't allow people to install multi-disc games and just play from disc 1. It would be a simple solution to their multi-disc problem, but they won't allow it for some reason.

Or just ship the 360 S with a 5 disc changer in the first place... or more. http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/12/b...-disc-changer/

And as for the storage responses above, I repeat the second paragraph from my post.

Rangers · 13-Jul-2011, 07:10

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Still don't understand why MS won't allow people to install multi-disc games and just play from disc 1. It would be a simple solution to their multi-disc problem, but they won't allow it for some reason.

Not a total solution (many with 4GB/Arcade/Core/20GB/60GB probably still dont have enough space to comfortably install multiple discs, and there's probably a ton of people out there who have no idea what installing is, it's very hidden on the dashboard if you're not tech savvy you'd never know of it), but yeah it would help a lot.

RudeCurve · 13-Jul-2011, 07:13

The updated Dasboard makes it really easy to install. When you goto the disc menu it shows you two options "play" or "install".

orangpelupa · 13-Jul-2011, 13:19

You need to press 'Y" before the menu come up....
for "people that know tech" its easy to see (the info on bottom) and easy to do. But for people that only know "insert game, play". Its become kind of hard.

my friends dont know that Y can be pressed there to open new menu. i even need to demo it for him to understand it.
maybe if the "Info" on bottom is more noticable, more people will notice. Maybe by making it flicker, or glow purple every 2 sec...

or just make the ingame menu have install opt like ps3 games

rekator · 13-Jul-2011, 17:16

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Originally Posted by Rangers

Not a total solution (many with 4GB/Arcade/Core/20GB/60GB probably still dont have enough space to comfortably install multiple discs, and there's probably a ton of people out there who have no idea what installing is, it's very hidden on the dashboard if you're not tech savvy you'd never know of it), but yeah it would help a lot.

No problem for not install solution, it's run like now. Only for install look presence of disk install and need disk one for launch.

kagemaru · 13-Jul-2011, 18:06

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Originally Posted by Rangers

Not a total solution (many with 4GB/Arcade/Core/20GB/60GB probably still dont have enough space to comfortably install multiple discs, and there's probably a ton of people out there who have no idea what installing is, it's very hidden on the dashboard if you're not tech savvy you'd never know of it), but yeah it would help a lot.

I didn't mean for it to be a total solution, and of course it would only be optional since no one would make it a requirement, closing off the millions of 4GB/arcade/core owners. As someone who has the HDD space, I would like the option and can't see any logical reason why MS would prevent this.

Also, anyone that can't figure out how to install games is likely not to notice or care about the benefits IMO.

swaaye · 13-Jul-2011, 18:42

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Originally Posted by egoless

Or just ship the 360 S with a 5 disc changer in the first place... or more. http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/12/b...-disc-changer/

LOL a disc changer. Awesome. Very '90s.

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hoho Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Estonia Posts: 1,218	Anyone has any information about how many XBoxes are there with 20G or no HDD's? I smell a whole lot of returned games if installing on HDD is mandatory as I doubt people think about checking the requirements on a console game

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