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Shifty Geezer · 17-Jun-2010, 09:28

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Originally Posted by boommoob1

Werent the Playstation slims always accompanied with a pricedrop?.

Not at first I don't think so. But that's besides the point. Whether they got a price drop or not, there was no need for an existing PS2 owner to buy one other than that they preferred the design. Reslling to existing customers is an upside of a small console, though this gen, so far, the shrinks haven't been as spectacular.

Rangers · 17-Jun-2010, 11:46

Console dimensions

Interesting it's lighter. I think the Engadget boxing had said it was every bit as heavy as the old Xbox which would have been a bit disappointing, but wasnt true.

I the accompanying article, Joystiq throws out a "17%" smaller figure without any detail how they got it. I'm guessing they just treated the dimensions as a square prism. To get the true size you'd need to work out volume, which seems like it would be difficult given all the odd curves on these machines.

Edit: yeah, treating them as square prisms, which I guess is a decent approximation (looking at my 360 now, it doesnt have much curvature, that's more the PS3), does give you the 17% smaller figure.

Silent_Buddha · 17-Jun-2010, 12:15

Ah and they've gotten rid of memory card support. But you can use generic USB storage drives in place of MUs now right?

Regards,
SB

BRiT · 17-Jun-2010, 12:34

Yes; a few updates ago they enabled USB Flash drives. IIRC, it supports up to 16 GB.

Shifty Geezer · 17-Jun-2010, 12:36

So not really slim at all, meaning no 'cute-factor' purchasing like PSTwo. That's been a real disappointment this gen. Are we likely to get another reshrink to something Wii sized?

AlStrong · 17-Jun-2010, 13:00

Given the single package CPU/GPU... wonder why they were not able to make it smaller...

FireGoblin · 17-Jun-2010, 13:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rangers

Console dimensions

Am I the only person who's noticed that the 'RRoD' is officially, and permanently, fixed.....

AlStrong · 17-Jun-2010, 13:02

What, the absence of red lights?

Colour me disappointed still about the dimensions.

Squilliam · 17-Jun-2010, 13:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shifty Geezer

So not really slim at all, meaning no 'cute-factor' purchasing like PSTwo. That's been a real disappointment this gen. Are we likely to get another reshrink to something Wii sized?

Well, the PS3 is going to get another shrink anyway because they don't call the current PS3 slim the PS3 slim! However it depends on how aggressive Microsoft wants to be with die shrinks and whether they run into a wall in regards to IO circuitry / integrating DRAM into the central processor etc.

BadTB25 · 17-Jun-2010, 13:20

I'm fine with the size as I never had a problem with the original PS3 or X360.

I care more about the bigger HDD and HDMI port as I have a launch 20GB model--glad I waited as I was going to pick up an Elite. Wireless (won't use it), additional USB ports and a quieter drive wasn't that big an issue for me, but I guess it could be considered a bonus.

AlStrong · 17-Jun-2010, 13:28

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Originally Posted by BadTB25

I'm fine with the size as I never had a problem with the original PS3 or X360.

It's not terrible, just... not what I wanted.

I'm OK with OG system. Gotta have something big enough to support the PS3 Slim afterall. >_>
<_<
>_>

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I care more about the bigger HDD and HDMI port as I have a launch 20GB model--glad I waited as I was going to pick up an Elite. Wireless (won't use it), additional USB ports and a quieter drive wasn't that big an issue for me, but I guess it could be considered a bonus.

Damn. Yes, I bought the 120GB drive. It has served me well with all the bloody Rock Band DLC and installing games.

Wonder why they wanted to increase the number of USB ports. I mean, even if you use the 360 controller charge cable or the 360 wireless headset charge cable........

dragonelite · 17-Jun-2010, 13:40

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Originally Posted by AlStrong

Wonder why they wanted to increase the number of USB ports. I mean, even if you use the 360 controller charge cable or the 360 wireless headset charge cable........

Maybe because of the 2 usb(16gig) support in case of a arcade version?

menmau · 17-Jun-2010, 13:53

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Originally Posted by AlStrong

Wonder why they wanted to increase the number of USB ports. I mean, even if you use the 360 controller charge cable or the 360 wireless headset charge cable........

Thats a good question, although you will have one new USB peripheral soon.
In case you connect:

*headset charge cable
*kinectit
*HD-DVD drive

You cannot insert another USB stick on the older Xbox, lets say with your favourite songs, or acting like a MU.

Actually I think adding more USB ports its not much more expensive, and can be another reason for some to upgrade.

NavNucST3 · 17-Jun-2010, 14:39

Why are we still at launch day pricing?

Rangers · 17-Jun-2010, 14:53

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Originally Posted by NavNucST3

Why are we still at launch day pricing?

You can actually currently get an Arcade for 99 bucks. Wal Mart has a $50 GC -149.99. Two games included.

But yeah, I feel ya.

NRP · 17-Jun-2010, 15:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by NavNucST3

Why are we still at launch day pricing?

Because MS has lost billions and needs to start recouping some of it?

@Tap In
Thanks for the Gamestop trade in info. Looks like my launch 360 is getting replaced.

AzBat · 17-Jun-2010, 15:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by NavNucST3

Why are we still at launch day pricing?

You mean launch day pricing - $100?

But point well made.

Tommy McClain

Silent_Buddha · 17-Jun-2010, 15:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlStrong

Given the single package CPU/GPU... wonder why they were not able to make it smaller...

Probably to make it run cooler and at the same time with less noise? So large CPU/GPU heatsink + large low RPM fan. That's just my guess until there's a teardown of the system.

I really doubt we'll get much smaller this generation. Heat is much more of a factor than last gen. So I think at this point for both Sony and MS, it's about a compromise between heat dissipation and noise levels.

Scary thing is, next generation the heat problems are only going to get worse.

Regards,
SB

Graham · 17-Jun-2010, 15:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlStrong

Wonder why they wanted to increase the number of USB ports. I mean, even if you use the 360 controller charge cable or the 360 wireless headset charge cable........

Rockband 3...?

RobertR1 · 17-Jun-2010, 16:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by NavNucST3

Why are we still at launch day pricing?

Inventory flush for older Sku's. I expect a proper price drop in fall. Likely only $50 for the Elite though. $179 arcade and $249 Elite with a $299 Kinect+Elite bundle would be a good lineup, I think.

AzBat · 17-Jun-2010, 17:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobertR1

Inventory flush for older Sku's. I expect a proper price drop in fall. Likely only $50 for the Elite though. $179 arcade and $249 Elite with a $299 Kinect+Elite bundle would be a good lineup, I think.

Don't see anymore price drops this year myself. If what we were told earlier is right, there won't be anymore Elites or Arcades once inventories are gone. A new SKU will come in at $200. Maybe it will have Kinect or maybe it won't. But I seriously doubt they will add Kinect to all SKUs & seriously doubt they will add Kinect to the new 360S for the same $300. Maybe the only bundle with Kinect is priced at $250? Wii did it.

Tommy McClain

RobertR1 · 17-Jun-2010, 17:54

Looks like we got a virtual $20 bet on this one. Have your monopoly money ready to be handed over this fall, buddy!

AzBat · 17-Jun-2010, 18:44

LOL. OK, for once I'd wouldn't mind losing a bet.

Just glad there's no hat eating. Mine are too dirty to eat. LOL

Tommy McClani

Kaotik · 17-Jun-2010, 19:52

still no autopsies, even though everyone at the press conference was given one?

NavNucST3 · 17-Jun-2010, 20:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by AzBat

You mean launch day pricing - $100?

But point well made.

Tommy McClain

What are you talking about, the Core was available at $299

17-Jun-2010, 11:46	#77
Rangers Regular Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 7,293	Console dimensions Interesting it's lighter. I think the Engadget boxing had said it was every bit as heavy as the old Xbox which would have been a bit disappointing, but wasnt true. I the accompanying article, Joystiq throws out a "17%" smaller figure without any detail how they got it. I'm guessing they just treated the dimensions as a square prism. To get the true size you'd need to work out volume, which seems like it would be difficult given all the odd curves on these machines. Edit: yeah, treating them as square prisms, which I guess is a decent approximation (looking at my 360 now, it doesnt have much curvature, that's more the PS3), does give you the 17% smaller figure. Last edited by Rangers; 17-Jun-2010 at 12:03.

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17-Jun-2010, 12:36	#80
Shifty Geezer uber-Troll! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Under my bridge Posts: 26,477	So not really slim at all, meaning no 'cute-factor' purchasing like PSTwo. That's been a real disappointment this gen. Are we likely to get another reshrink to something Wii sized? __________________ Shifty Geezer ... Tolerance for internet moronism is exhausted. Anyone talking about people's attitudes in the Console fora, rather than games and technology, will feel my wrath. Read the FAQ to remind yourself how to behave and avoid unsightly incidents.

17-Jun-2010, 13:00	#81
AlStrong rwaaaraararagh Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: beaver Posts: 14,056	Given the single package CPU/GPU... wonder why they were not able to make it smaller... __________________

17-Jun-2010, 13:02	#83
AlStrong rwaaaraararagh Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: beaver Posts: 14,056	What, the absence of red lights? Colour me disappointed still about the dimensions. __________________

17-Jun-2010, 12:15	#78
Silent_Buddha Regular Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,227	Ah and they've gotten rid of memory card support. But you can use generic USB storage drives in place of MUs now right? Regards, SB

17-Jun-2010, 13:20	#85
BadTB25 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Guam Posts: 1,152	I'm fine with the size as I never had a problem with the original PS3 or X360. I care more about the bigger HDD and HDMI port as I have a launch 20GB model--glad I waited as I was going to pick up an Elite. Wireless (won't use it), additional USB ports and a quieter drive wasn't that big an issue for me, but I guess it could be considered a bonus.

17-Jun-2010, 14:39	#89
NavNucST3 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 1,571	Why are we still at launch day pricing?

17-Jun-2010, 17:54	#97
RobertR1 Naughty Boy! Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 5,059	Looks like we got a virtual $20 bet on this one. Have your monopoly money ready to be handed over this fall, buddy! __________________ Hall of fame thread: http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=50668

17-Jun-2010, 18:44	#98
AzBat Agent of the Bat Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Alma, AR Posts: 3,819	LOL. OK, for once I'd wouldn't mind losing a bet. Just glad there's no hat eating. Mine are too dirty to eat. LOL Tommy McClani

17-Jun-2010, 19:52	#99
Kaotik yes, i'm drunk Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 4,854	still no autopsies, even though everyone at the press conference was given one? __________________ I'm nothing but a shattered soul... Been ravaged by the chaotic beauty... Ruined by the unreal temptations... I was betrayed by my own beliefs...

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